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View Poll Results: Is worshipping Jesus idolotry?
No, Jesus is God and man so it is not idolatry. 8 61.54%
No, worshipping Jesus is worshipping his God part. 1 7.69%
Yes, Jesus was a man therefore it is idolatry to worship him. 4 30.77%
Yes, Jesus although God-man is still a man and it is idolatry. 0 0%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-21-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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Ya can't take the idea that Jesus was God incarnate away from people...they need
a figure, a tangible person to pray to thinking he is God.
Otherwise , 'God' is just too abstract...and they make up wild things about Him.
Let 'em talk to God through Jesus, already.

(I know, I know, it's that pushing all that onto others that is the problem.) Oh well.
I agree. If believing that Jesus is God lets people feel their connection to God, great.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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If believing that Jesus is God lets people feel their connection to God, great.
But that doesn't mean we should put a sword in his hand to chop-off the ears of those who don't see it the same way.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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But that doesn't mean we should put a sword in his hand to chop-off the ears of those who don't see it the same way.
What did you say? I can't hear you.


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Old 08-21-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: New England
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But that doesn't mean we should put a sword in his hand to chop-off the ears of those who don't see it the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG1P8MQS1cU
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:30 AM
 
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So, being G-d, he sacrificed nothing?...
God has sacrificed enough already , He sacrifices every day putting up with fickle man. Doesn't mean He doesn't love us, but it is work, even for God.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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Ya can't take the idea that Jesus was God incarnate away from people...they need
a figure, a tangible person to pray to thinking he is God.
Otherwise , 'God' is just too abstract...and they make up wild things about Him.
Let 'em talk to God through Jesus, already.

(I know, I know, it's that pushing all that onto others that is the problem.) Oh well.
No one can take the idea from my head....isn't this christendom 101? God in the flesh? Isn't this our foundation? God Himself born into a human body?

If someone doesn't believe that they won't get bonked in the head either...it is always how we treat others that matters.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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I agree. If believing that Jesus is God lets people feel their connection to God, great.
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But that doesn't mean we should put a sword in his hand to chop-off the ears of those who don't see it the same way.
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What did you say? I can't hear you.


I know, right. (laughing out loud)
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Awaiting the New Body

2 Corinthians 5 (NIV)

For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling,

3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked.

4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

The Ministry of Reconciliation

11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.

12 We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the heart.

13 If we are “out of our mind,” as some say, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you.

14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.

15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.

16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

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Old 08-22-2018, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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There has always been an ongoing debate to whether the first Christianity believed Jesus was God or not. Somebody said,'' Good teacher, what must I do to inherit the kingdom?'' Jesus replied,'' Why do you call me good, only the father is good, but if you want to inherit the kingdom, keep the laws of Moses.''
We also have Ezekiel 45 where Ezekiel is very specific in speaking of the Messiah who comes bringing a new covenant to Ephraim and Judah, and we can witness who the people of the covenant are when we are shown the Messiah and the people following Messiah, Ephraim and Judah.

The Messiah of Ezekiel sacrifices for his own sins.

The Prince of Ezekiel 45 and Ezekiel 47, and Jeremiah 31 is the Prince who comes bringing a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah, and Ephraim and Judah love the laws of Moses and they keep them. This same Prince, same Messiah who was to bring the New covenant is shown sacrificing for his own sins.

Ezekiel 45 is showing how all the sacrifices are killed on one single day. On Passover, we have the Passover sacrifice, the rams of Pentecost, the Yom Kippur goat, and the Sukkot Bull, and these sacrifices have never been made on Nisan 14th out of the entire History of Israel. There has never been a bull killed on Passover, EVER.


But if we claim that Jesus was all the sacrifices, it fulfills what Ezekiel says here, and what Ezekiel says of the Prince is in fact, said of Jesus because of the fact that the prince of Ezekiel 45 is the Messiah who brings the New covenant of Jeremiah 31.

It is VERY SPECIFIC in the fact that the Messiah also sacrifices for himself.

Ezekiel 45
21On the fourteenth day of the first month you are to observe the Passover, a feast of seven days, during which unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22On that day the prince shall provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. 23Each day during the seven days of the feast, he shall provide seven bulls and seven rams without blemish as a burnt offering to the LORD, along with a male goat for a sin offering. 24He shall also provide as a grain offering an ephah for each bull and an ephah for each ram, along with a hin of oil of for each ephah. 25During the seven days of the feast that begins on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, he is to make the same provision for sin offerings, burnt offerings, grain offerings, and oil

Why does Messiah sacrifice for his own sins? Let it be extremely clear that whoever believes Jesus is the Messiah, that Messiah IS the Prince of Ezekiel 45, and there is no denying that this prince sacrifices for his own sins..

Whoever the Messiah is, he comes to fulfill Ezekiel 45, the Prince of Ezekiel 45 is no doubt the Messiah, and Ezekiel 45 happens to be the only place in the bible where one could claim that the Yom Kippur goat must die on Nisan 14 instead of Tishri 10. It is the only place in the bible where a Christian could claim that Jesus was the Sukkot Bull on Nisan 14 instead of Tishri 15, and it is the only place in the bible where Christians can claim that Jesus was the Pentecost ram on Nisan 14 instead of 50 days after Passover.

We claim Messiah was also the red heifer which is killed outside the city at an alter and sacrifice no man can partake of, and this, on Nisan 14, Passover.

That Messiah IS the Prince of Ezekiel 45, and he sacrifices for his own sins.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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No, not a demi-god. Jesus is presented as being the Creator of the heavens and the earth in the New Testament, which is an act attributed to God in the Old Testament. The writer of Hebrews takes Psalm 102:25-27 which refers to Yahweh (Psalm 102 is a prayer addressed to Yahweh) and applies it to Jesus in Hebrews 1:10-12. In fact, the writer of Hebrews has God the Father speaking the words in Hebrews 1:10-12 to the Son. A simple comparison bears this out to anyone taking the time to do so.

Don't take my word for it. Do the comparison and see for yourself.

Acts 3:19-- Gods power goes through Jesus. God created all things-Jesus direct( Prov 8,Coll 1:15) and all other things through him. But God did it--Read Prov 8. The same way God parted the red sea. Moses couldn't do it. YHVH did it through Moses. YHVH is the power. He alone is most high over all the earth-Psalm 83:18
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