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I find it hilarious that persons have the notion that it is their business to comment on how a private church and their congregation choose to spend their money. As though you, RC, have some say in what kind of car the pastor drives, or some say in whether their doctrine makes the driving of an expensive car hypocritical? Even if it does, which I doubt, how is it your place to point the finger and out hypocrisy of a group that you obviously don't support or believe in in the first place. And, did you say "trailer trash"? That's a nice remark coming from a person pouring money into a toilet neighborhood like Fairmont where probably none of the members of Solid Rock Church would live if you put a gun to their heads.
You know, RC, we like our aspiring artistic people to be open minded and a little tolerant of others. Otherwise, they are just developers, in miniature.
EDIT: Oh, I get it now. This is a "gay" rights issue. (I'm a little behind the times on these fashionable issues). It seems that a member of Solid Rock Church testified at the Defense of Marriage Act hearings in Columbus and put the gay and lesbo lobby into orbit with over 6000 gay sites posting hate speech against the church. Now I get it. Duh!
You know, RC, personally I am not a religious person, but I do think people should have the right to believe what is actually written in the Bible about homosexuality without criticism of their beliefs whether you agree, believe or what not. Some people would say that anything else is bigotry.
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Hi FormerCalifornian, my freind and I are planning on becoming former Californians too. What made you move to Ohio, if I may ask? I assume you are living there since this is a posting space for Ohio I saw Amish country for the first time last Oct. Loved it! Just curious as to how you like living in the Buckeye state! Any plus ponts?
My username is confusing, because I created it just prior to leaving the Bay Area a few years ago. I consider California my adopted home because it's where my children were born, but I am actually an seventh-generation Ohioan who moved to the Golden State as an adult. Southwestern Ohio was a wonderful place to grow up, and I enjoyed it very much, but my spouse is in an industry that has moved us from one end of the country to the other. Most of my immediate family members have also dispersed to other parts of the country as well, but I visit an elderly relative and friends in the Dayton-Cincinnati area every couple of years. I doubt I would ever return as a resident; nonetheless, Ohio holds a special place in my heart. When we were first married, my spouse and I spent lots of weekends backpacking the area in southeastern Ohio called Hocking Hills. It's still one of my favorite places in the world. I think there is something to love about nearly every place in the U.S. if you're open to the experience. Good luck with your transition.
As far as "King of Kings" (aka Touchdown Jesus) is concerned, I was and am still horrified at the enormous waste of money. That monstrosity has been a target of ridicule since the day it was built, and I personally think it reflects poorly on Christianity. I hope the congregation comes to its senses and stops the insanity. That's my $.02. Your mileage may vary.
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I find it hilarious that persons have the notion that it is their business to comment on how a private church and their congregation choose to spend their money. As though you, RC, have some say in what kind of car the pastor drives, or some say in whether their doctrine makes the driving of an expensive car hypocritical? Even if it does, which I doubt, how is it your place to point the finger and out hypocrisy of a group that you obviously don't support or believe in in the first place. And, did you say "trailer trash"?
Have to agree with you. A new story like this allows every religious bigot the opportunity to put a post in.
Have to agree with you. A new story like this allows every religious bigot the opportunity to put a post in.
I suppose that's true, but there are also other Christians (me included), who found the entire thing distasteful and were not the least bit unhappy to see it disappear.
Many evangelical churches think that the only job of the church is to convert people to their form of Christianity. All money spent on media and infrastructure is permissible because that allows the church to reach more people and "save" them, even from other Christian branches, such as Presbyterian or Lutheran.
"To take financial advantage of the weak" Yes, i agree that is this church's goal.
You know, RC, personally I am not a religious person, but I do think people should have the right to believe what is actually written in the Bible about homosexuality without criticism of their beliefs whether you agree, believe or what not. Some people would say that anything else is bigotry.
The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death. Leviticus 20:13. Sorry. That's nutty Stone Age babble from a nomadic and primitive society. Nobody gets to believe that people should be killed because they have some bedroom fun with a person of the same sex. You simply aren't allowed to believe that in modernity.
If your gay neighbor, Alan, with his Saab and nice house, asks to borrow your hedgeclippers and you politely oblige, do you loan the clippers while simultaneously believing that he should be killed?
Further, we shouldn't be chained to the dictates of some ancient mythological text written by an intellectually inferior people. What intellectual wrong turn did Western Civilization make that causes some ancient book to have such power over a wide swath of people?
You don't get to appeal to a myth in support of a nutty and hateful belief borne of mythology any more than you get to believe that Atlas is holding up the world.
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What intellectual wrong turn did Western Civilization make that causes some ancient book to have such power over a wide swath of people?
Absolutes - rules and laws - make many people more comfortable than the lack of rules and laws. The more fascistic churches do seem to comfort some people. The growth of non denominational hardline fundamental sects like Solid Rock - which to me are personality cults ungoverned by external standards - attest to this.
Jesus truly came to earth to rid us of laws, period, which sounds weird to agnostic folk who just hear the Baptist and fundamentalist "decision theology" drumbeating with its emphasis on open rebuking of others.
I dated a gal years ago who started going to Solid Rock. She was a total mess. She had just lost her daughter to leukemia and it was after a messy divorce. She was on a high on tithing to that church and participating in their activities. If you check their web site, they require that anyone who participates in volunteering for the church to tithe. IMO she was being used and to me the giving there sounded like a guilt laden mind game.
And I have read some online about the controversy surrounding the lady pastor and her brother's estate. She really should have resolved this if there were no substance to the suits. IMO she should step aside if there is a cloud over her.
To me this church reeks of cult and self aggrandizement, not Jesus. There are many fine churches around the region that truly practice Christ like compassion without having to erect a stupid and artless fiberglass piece of crap as a graven image of sorts.
I bet they'll have monies for a new statue in no time, I can see major donations pouring in from evangelicals across the country on news of poor TD Jesus' unlucky fate.
No righteous reasoning of better uses for the money will matter or be heard by these people, so for a quarter-million dollars, it's replacement should be made of marble or bronze or something at least NOT butter-like.
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I find it hilarious that persons have the notion that it is their business to comment on how a private church and their congregation choose to spend their money. As though you, RC, have some say in what kind of car the pastor drives, or some say in whether their doctrine makes the driving of an expensive car hypocritical?
Wilson, newsflash! This is an opinion board. Lol.
Besides, where are you getting off blasting someone and making wild assumptions based on their orientation? Easy to sling poop from Mt. Lookout or wherever, but RC is doing more for improving a broken system in this city in two years than in your, I'm guessing, 60 years here.
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Thank you Cincy-rider. First I know little about this church, nothing of their history but its pretty easy to spot a "Cult" and see a HUGE waste of monies that should be spent helping people not building crap.
I do love it when Wilson "generalizes". Love the Fairmount comments , I wonder what he thinks of MSD's plan to open up 1200 feet of Lick Run Creek and create a new park with a major redo of Queen City Blvd and Westood with bike lanes, Victorian streetlights and brick sidewalks, spending Millions of dollars.
The renderings look rather "Hyde Parkish" dont they? Guess I'm not as stupid as he thinks I am.
Interestingly enough over the years I've been hired by the Catholic Church various Jewish temples, Christian churches, Baptist churches to do mural restoration or stencilling. I have NEVER been struck by lightning!
I do love it when Wilson "generalizes". Love the Fairmount comments , I wonder what he thinks of MSD's plan to open up 1200 feet of Lick Run Creek and create a new park with a major redo of Queen City Blvd and Westood with bike lanes, Victorian streetlights and brick sidewalks, spending Millions of dollars.
The renderings look rather "Hyde Parkish" dont they? Guess I'm not as stupid as he thinks I am.
If every neighborhood had as staunch an advocate as RC, what a wonderful world it would be! From now on I'll think of each of his posts that stand up for his community as a "Sermon on the 'mount."
Am I the only one who's tired of the endless Christian Right persecution complex? You know...the weeping + wailing + gnashing of teeth over "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"...seeing the abolishment of compulsory sectarian prayer in public schools as the beginning of the end of civilization...the howls of protest when images of the Ten Commandments or another Biblical passage are removed from common property...uproar when the ORIGINAL "one nation indivisible" again became official in the Pledge of Allegiance...on and on it goes ad nauseum. Last I checked, there was a distinct majority of citizens in this country that profess to believing in a "God" of some form. And most of them in turn identify as Christian. Whatever the threat that pluralism poses, it's over my head. While I'm at it: If you're against abortions, don't have one, and if you don't approve of same-sex marriage just return your invitation to Debbie and Rhonda's wedding with regrets. Then ****!!!!!! And keep your moralizing and narrow-mindedness away from lawmaking, thank you.
Accounts of the divine event of last Monday described the former occupation of one of the "pastors" as "horse trader." The fun I've been having with that!
From Billy Sunday to The Reverend Ike to the Solid Rock Church, there've always been new "true religious" cults springing up to fleece the vulnerable. What's sad about this is that the very people who are "tithing," literally in good faith, are often those who forsake other real financial needs because they've been told that doing so is part of the travel package to Heaven. To my way of thinking it's no different than buying into the supposed glamor and excitement of a casino and p!$$ing away one's hard-earned money there. At life's end, far better that one's accumulated property and savings still be there to support survivors and fund worthy causes. (Re)building a cheesy "graven image" and subsidizing the lush living of self-appointed "pastors" doesn't pass the smell test for "worthy."
I'll be flying (not on angel's wings, to be sure, LOL) into Dayton later today. Even more than the wedding - between a woman and a man, if that matters - I'm in town to help celebrate, I'm looking forward to rolling down 75 and seeing the remains of "God's wrath" in Monroe. Too bad that ugly statue is destined to "rise again."
Hmmm...maybe God's wrath was actually directed at the new outlet mall nearby, or perhaps the IKEA? Ya think?
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I saw Amish country for the first time last Oct. Loved it! Just curious as to how you like living in the Buckeye state! Any plus ponts?
