City gets $25 million for streetcar (Cincinnati, Delta: condos, university, to live)

[Sarah Perry]

Originally Posted by Montrell

The first ride people take on it after dark, will likely be their last ride they take on it after dark.

I personally can't predict what the ridership's going to be, but what you said mirror's my husband's comment that once out-of-towners get a look at who's riding it, they won't be able to get away fast enough.

[t45209]

Originally Posted by jrm2811

Congratulations Cincy. In the meantime, checkout the most successful streetcar so far, in Portland.
Portland Streetcar

Ugh, I am so sick of having my nose rubbed in Portland. If I wanted to live in Portland, I would move there. This is CINCINNATI!

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by t45209

Ugh, I am so sick of having my nose rubbed in Portland. If I wanted to live in Portland, I would move there. This is CINCINNATI!

The Portland Modal is used all over the country , since it has been successful. If you city is successful will rename it the "Cincinnati model"

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by t45209

Ugh, I am so sick of having my nose rubbed in Portland. If I wanted to live in Portland, I would move there. This is CINCINNATI!

Portland is the most successful street rail in the country. First, it's nothing like what is coming here. Second, they still have to subsidize $.60 on the dollar to ride people around. They put it in in the middle of a housing and business boom in Portland and every advocate for these silly trains credits the train for the boom. Typical.

[t45209]

Originally Posted by Montrell

No way the majority of UC students do this. How in the world does filling up 1 or 2 bars downtown equate to the majority of students?

Downtown compared to what it was even a decade ago is dead. Nightlife/Club Scene is a perfect example.

Today you have Cadillac Ranch, Black Finn and Lodge Bar. Even Sully's had to recently close down because of lack of business.

10 years ago downtown had actual nightclubs all over the place like Have a Nice Day Cafe, Elektra, Oscar's, Banana Joe's, Bar Cincinnati, Purgatory, Cell Block among others.

Have to take exception to a couple of points here. 1) I doubt the cougars that hang out at Cadillac Ranch go to UC. 2) The real reason Sully's went out of business had nothing to do with lack of business...it was lousy management that ran the place into the ground. People who worked there have some horror stories.

Do agree that the Main Street of the mid 1990s is sorely missed, although why you picked the chain bars is beyond me. Much preferred Japp's, Westminster's, Jefferson Hall, Main Street Brewery (before it became Jump), Neon's, Fritz's, The Lab, Sycamore Gardens (pre Elektra), Rhino's, Barrell House, the Diner, Courtyard Cafe. The only place left down there is the appropriately named Mr Pitiful's...oh, and the recently re-opened, but terribly neglected Neon's Unplugged.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Portland is the most successful street rail in the country. First, it's nothing like what is coming here. Second, they still have to subsidize $.60 on the dollar to ride people around. They put it in in the middle of a housing and business boom in Portland and every advocate for these silly trains credits the train for the boom. Typical.

Well , its the true. Its called TOD and it happens with every new Transitline. You subsidize roads and don't seem to care about that. The Train didn't cause the boom , location did. But the Train attracted alot more Development then anyone predicted.

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Well , its the true. Its called TOD and it happens with every new Transitline. You subsidize roads and don't seem to care about that. The Train didn't cause the boom , location did. But the Train attracted alot more Development then anyone predicted.

At the very most optimistic view, the train caused the location of some of the Portland development boom to be directed where the train went. But, what the conditions were in Portland was exactly the opposite of the Cincinnati situation. In Portland, they ran the train to an area that was ripe for development, with plenty of undeveloped housing stock and no adverse conditions such as drug violence and crime.

Most all of the train area in Cincinnati is where: 1) no development is possible (central downtown) 2) development already done (Gateway) and 3) no development likely (McMicken to the Zoo indigenous vermin everywhere). Further, Cincinnati is shrinking for reasons that have nothing to do with the lack of entertainment downtown. Portland was a boom town. IMO the train had nothing to do with that except that prosperous people there pat themselves on the back for wisely spending the 3 billion dollars spent. It and no other urban train will ever be cost effective. But Cincinnati's will be worse: it won't even help the commuters or the traffic situation. Yuck!

[DarkWolf]

Its a starter system , its to get people around the city. A City of your size shouldn't have any reason not to have Transit. Its ridiculous in the 21st Century that people are still against these projects. It puzzles me to be honest , yet you guys are open to building more giant freeways.


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[Wilson513]

Well, you see the map. It goes from downtown to nowhere on a route that no one would take and no one needs to take except for a ride on the trolley.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

Well, you see the map. It goes from downtown to nowhere on a route that no one would take and no one needs to take except for a ride on the trolley.

How do you know that ? You don't , the system is designed fine , although it be a bit bigger.