Is Cincinnati the South? (Columbus, Cleveland: inspection, wage, to live in)

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Come on. Kentucky was a slave state but it did not join the Confederacy. I already mentioned that and that relatively few slaves lived anywhere in the state. Very few lived in Northern Kentucky. That should be a huge signal that Kentucky was not culturally or economically aligned with the states that did secede.


Similarly, eastern Tennessee has a totally different culture than the deep south. Zero plantations in the hilly/mountainous east.

That's all good and all but Kentucky is still in the south, even if it, being a slave state, didn't join the Confederacy. It's not considered to be Dixie, but it is the south. Sorry.

[jmecklenborg]

No it's not. It was not economically or culturally part of the south. I have lived and worked in Kentucky and lived and worked in Tennessee. They are totally different places. Delaware was a slave state but nobody considers it "the south".

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Well, many consider Christian fundamentalists as a southern thing.

Btw, some describe Washington DC as quasi-southern as well. Some describe southern cities as you describe CIN: podunk towns with ignorant people.

The difference is that DC was historically a Southern city. Cincinnati never was.

[EddieOlSkool]

Evangelical Christians didn't originate in the South nor does does the South have a monopoly on them.

Southern Baptist churches are more indicative of actual Southern culture. Cincinnati's religious landscape is not a majority Southern Baptist but instead Catholic. Yes they are conservative Catholics but those exist everywhere.

Cincinnati is about as Southern as St. Louis and Columbus.

[ms12345]

Originally Posted by Kamms

OK, so now you differentiate Kentucky as not being ''deep south'' which means its ''south''. Again, CIN actually borders a southern state then; how can there be no southern-ish qualities in CIN?

This is pretty funny as the CIN folks freak out about this association; ''the south'' is right there given your statements.

I would say that KY is the transitional state, not Ohio. The northern 3rd of KY is very Midwestern. From central KY south it starts to take on more of a southern flavor. I think the true south starts with Tennessee.

[DubbleT]

Originally Posted by Kamms

That's all good and all but Kentucky is still in the south, even if it, being a slave state, didn't join the Confederacy. It's not considered to be Dixie, but it is the south. Sorry.

You continue you say that but having lived in various southern states for the last thirty years I can tell you that most southern people consider KY to be a border state. A city on the northern border of a border state does not make that a city that borders on being southern, though it may have a bit of southern influence popping up here and there.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by DubbleT

You continue you say that but having lived in various southern states for the last thirty years I can tell you that most southern people consider KY to be a border state. A city on the northern border of a border state does not make that a city that borders on being southern, though it may have a bit of southern influence popping up here and there.

Umm, that's why I said Cinci had quasi-southern flair to it, IMO, also known as influences popping up here and there.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Evangelical Christians didn't originate in the South nor does does the South have a monopoly on them.

Southern Baptist churches are more indicative of actual Southern culture. Cincinnati's religious landscape is not a majority Southern Baptist but instead Catholic. Yes they are conservative Catholics but those exist everywhere.

Cincinnati is about as Southern as St. Louis and Columbus.

That's good and all but IMO CIN had some quasi-southern aspects to it. That's all.

You're the one who described CIN as a podunk town full of ignorant people.

[WILWRadio]

Originally Posted by Wilson513

Yes, uh, I don't think so. Klan huge in Indy? - I have to call BS on that.

At one time that was the case. The Grand Lizard or Chief Manure Salesman for the Klan at one time hailed from a small town nearby if I recall correctly. But that was a century ago. Still plenty of racial problems in central Indiana these days but the Klan does not seem to have a presence these days in the area.

[WILWRadio]

Originally Posted by jgn2013

It's not Southern...in the same way that West Virginia isn't southern (and I'm almost iffy on Kentucky).

"Southern" to me is a blend of African, European and Native American culture. Most Midwest cities seem heavily influenced by Scandinavians and Central Europeans. The South's European influence is more heavily slanted towards British/Scottish culture with notable exceptions (Czech/Poles/Spanish in TX, French in Louisiana etc).

Black-eyed peas, peanuts, collard greens, okra (not fried), baked mac-n-cheese, gratuitous use of hot sauce that isn't Tabasco, hot links, catfish/buffalo fish, yams/sweet potatoes etc. Rice is also a big fault line. Jollof rice from West Africa and Jambalaya are pretty doggone close to being 'food cousins.' I don't think Midwestern cuisine puts a lot of emphasis on rice historically as that was more of a staple crop in tropical and subtropical regions.

Actually the dominant heritage in the Midwest is German. By far. I researched this a few years ago and only the upper Midwest has any real Scandinavian presence. Most of them are in Minnesota and to a lesser extent, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin and the Dakotas. And you can find a smattering in northern IL and around Lindsborg, KS. Aside from that the region is populated mostly by people of German heritage, especially the lower Midwest.