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Old 06-29-2011, 09:46 PM
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Originally Posted by Wilson513 View Post
Now now now. Let's be honest here. 72% of undergraduates are from Hamilton, Clermont, Butler and Warren Counties. All commuters. Please, when we post up stats, let's try not to mislead.
Are all student who are Columbus natives but go to Ohio State commuters?

Based on my college experience being a commuter vs residential student isn't about geography but mentality. A commuter student never gets involved with on campus activities, feel detached from the rest of the student body, and generally dislike their school and only attend to get a degree. A residential student takes advantage of the opportunities available to get involved in campus life.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:55 PM
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Unless it has changed drastically, UC is a commuter school. In the 50s/60s I lived at home and commuted from Madeira. A large percentage of my classmates also did likewise. We would compare notes on the high schools we attended in Greater Cincinnati and why we were at UC in such circumstances. It was a simple case of money pure and simple. Our parents could continue to house and feed us at home. We commuted to UC and used the Co-op program to get us through.

In the 80s two of my children did basically the same thing, though the commute was from Mason. Our house was always open to their friends from out of town who lived in the substandard housing around campus. Seemed like every weekend we were infiltrated with more kids than we ever dreamed of raising.

Back in my time we referred to UC as a streetcar college, though even by then the streetcars had disappeared.

I would like to see some statistics on current enrollment, those who live on campus, projected off-campus housing numbers, etc. My projection is in the current economy UC is returing to the commuter school of 50 years ago. As they say it all comes around.
Yea, it'd be tough to imagine that things could have possibly changed drastically in the past half century.

UC is not the commuter school it was; it is far more of a regional and statewide school than at any time in its past. Do some students still commute from their Tri-state home? Sure, but there are also plenty of Cincinnati-area students who live on and around campus. Go to Clifton on a weekend and check out the student scene both south of campus and on Ludlow.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:36 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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Yeah I agree, living on or near campus was the thing in my day and I am sure also now. Glad to hear my garandson, who will be a freshman in UC Engineering this fall, has the good sense to realize that living at home is his best choice. The education and degree are first.

Those who want to knock our disdain for or lack of interest in the college experience need to wake up. As we used to say, those who want a candy coated sugar college experience need to go to Ohio University, not UC Engineering.

My actual graduating class in UC Engineering was 1/10th the size of the freshman class. I doubt those statistics have changed much today. And I am convinced the percentage of commuters who actually graduated exceeded our initial numbers.

Colleges and universities have for generations survived on the continuing contribution of their alumni. But todays economy, which makes it very difficult for a totally privately owned concerns to survive over a period of years, has also reduced the number of automatic jobs available for junior when he graduates. A much higher percentage of students currently have to be capable of competing in the global job market. This tends to skew the statistics somewhat.
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:49 AM
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To me, what makes UC a commuter school is that when class is over the students split. Back to mom and dad's. Parking for 10 times the number of dorm and greek housing. That says it all. Don't take offense. I was a UC commuter. its just a fact.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:52 AM
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Kind of bemused by all this interest in and conversation about "commuter" schools. It looks to me like UC is a specifically urban version of one, with dorm rooms for, what, 10 percent of the students? Then there's all the blather about rankings. totally meaningless especially since they're lacking any context or definition of what they're based on. Anyway, isn't the only thing that's really important how a given student applies him- or herself to take advantage of the educational opportunity at a given school? Some of the most distinguished scholars and successful people in the country started out at pathetic little two-year colleges in hillbilly country that nobody ever heard of.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:16 AM
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This all started because someone mistakenly postulated that Xavier was driven by UC's lead or example. Of course, UC and Xavier do not compete for the same population of students. An entirely different universe. Absent scholarships which are getting fewer and fewer, 83% of UC students pay about $30,000 for their four year education, whereas 100% of Xavier students pay about $160,000 for their four years. Most all of UC students are commuters, whereas a very small fraction of XU students come from the area. Most all of XU students are seeking a liberal arts education. While UC offers liberal arts, most all of UC's undergrads pursue technical, teaching and business programs.

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Old 06-30-2011, 02:16 PM
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All I said was that, historically, Xavier has been joined at the hip with the University of Dayton more than it has been with UC or any other school. They're very similar schools in almost every way imaginable, including student body demographics, size, academics, religious affiliation, sports and, yes, campus design and location. So when UD invested heavily in and significantly upgraded the Brown Street corridor, it was reasonable to assume that Xavier would do the same with Dana.

I certainly didn't begin posting rankings, I just responded to the skewed numbers that someone else presented.

I'm actually bemused how the whole UC is/isn't a commuter school got brought into a discussion about development at Xavier. UC is large enough that it will have significant numbers of students who do everything: live on campus, live just off campus and commute to school. But I would find it hard to believe that UC, Towne Properties and the city of Cincinnati would invest millions upon millions of dollars to significantly upgrade the Calhoun/McMillan area (University Square at the Loop project that's about to break ground), not to mention the addition of hundreds of new residential units planned around campus, if the school primarily attracted commuters who live with their parents in the suburbs.

Censusdata's Ohio State comparison is a great one. OSU attracts thousands of students from Franklin, Delaware and surrounding Columbus-area counties, the overwhelming majority of whom live on campus or within walking distance. It's no different at UC. If you were a freshman in college, where would you rather be on a Saturday night: at the football game on campus followed by at a house party with your friends and then hitting a late-night pizza joint before heading back to your dorm, or on the couch next to mom and dad watching TV?

UC may have been a commuter school at one time. It certainly is not today.

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Old 06-30-2011, 03:04 PM
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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By no means am I a UC fan but having attended the University of Louisville I'm familiar with the attitude people like Wilson 513 seem to have. Because a school mainly catered to local & non traditional students decades ago they think that it now can not be a residential school with a vibrant student life. When I decided to attend U of L (10 years ago while a junior in H.S) I hear all sorts of crap about "it's all adult students and commuters", "you'll hate it there", etc. One of the guys who told me that had two daughters that went to the Univ of KY and commuted from home and never got involved on campus. Talk about being 2 faced!!

(now concluding rant) As a geography major - being fascinated with the relationship btw people and place - I started doing a lot of research on my school's institutional page. I discovered that just like a nation may undergo a "demographic transition" so do universities. I discovered that in 1986 80% of U of L students were from Louisville/ Jefferson Co, but that number declined by an average of 2% per year. At the same time enrollment from other parts of KY rapidly increased. Today less about 45% of U of L students are from Louisville.

Anyway, I'm just saying that sometimes people need to get a grip and give institutions a chance to rebrand themselves if that re-branding messes with reality. What good does it do to hate a university that boosts your local economy and brings in thousands of educated young people?
Statistically the average undergrad age at U of L is w/i 6 months of UK, and the percent living on campus is also very close.

Interestingly it usually seems to be alum from the city of the school that most have that attitude.
I named a married couple that both went to U of L. The husband was from Louisville and hated going to U of L. The wife was from 100 miles away in western KY and loved it
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:33 AM
Location: Cincinnati
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Originally Posted by Wilson513 View Post
Now now now. Let's be honest here. 72% of undergraduates are from Hamilton, Clermont, Butler and Warren Counties. All commuters.
Please, when we post up stats, let's try not to mislead.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:29 AM
Location: Cincinnati near
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I have close ties to both UC and Xavier, and I am familiar with the demographics of both institutions. I am aware that XU's closest competition comes from Miami and Dayton, and that UC's biggest college, McMicken College of Arts and Sciences, primarily serves regional undergraduates. Other colleges, such as DAAP, CCM, Engineering, Medicine, and Law, as well as the graduate programs, draw internationally. UC's satellite campuses are a lot more commuter-based than main campus. Xavier and UC do compete to some extent for nontraditional students and in education and business, but overall they are very different universities with different missions.

Universities are getting into the real estate market because endowment income is down and they need other revenue streams besides tuition. That is why they rent out their arenas for high school graduation, their dorms for summer camps, athletic fields for sports camps, etc. Leasing land to businesses is attractive for both parties for a variety of reasons, including income for the university, a cornered market for the business, and a guarantee that a payday loan or pawn shop business is not going to spring up next door.

I am ambivalent about the new development. On one hand I think it will be good for the University's financial health and could be an economic asset for the area. On the other hand, it will probably showcase the wealth divide between XU students and Evanston, which could be problematic in the long run.
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