Cincinnati! Where are you hiding your beer? (Ada: credit, construction)

[progmac]

Originally Posted by zaphod001

This is a tangent, but I'm ignorant of the law I guess. Is it not legal to buy beer in Kentucky and bring it to Ohio? Or are you just saying that short of driving out of state to get it, there's no legal way.

I'm moving to Cincinnati in September and I hope this trend of local brewing continues to expand (re-bloom?).

Many, many Cincinnatians buy their beer across the river at the party source in Kentucky, which I'm pretty positive sells New Belgium.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by progmac

Many, many Cincinnatians buy their beer across the river at the party source in Kentucky, which I'm pretty positive sells New Belgium.

No, Kentucky cannot legally sell New Belgium beers either, unfortunately. The only place in Greater Cincinnati you can buy New Belgium beers is Indiana, but that isn't all that convenient for 95 percent of the metro.

New Belgium beers are only legally sold in the following states: Colorado, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Arkansas and Missouri.

This summer, Fat Tire became available for the first time in the D.C. metro, including parts of Virginia and Maryland. Since the distribution has now reached all the way to the East Coast, it's only a matter of time before it includes Ohio, you would think.

Here's the distribution map:

New Belgium Brewing - Age Verification

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by zaphod001

This is a tangent, but I'm ignorant of the law I guess. Is it not legal to buy beer in Kentucky and bring it to Ohio? Or are you just saying that short of driving out of state to get it, there's no legal way.

I'm moving to Cincinnati in September and I hope this trend of local brewing continues to expand (re-bloom?).

Yes, it's perfectly legal to buy beer/alcohol in one state and transport it to another. It's even legal to buy beer elsewhere and bring it into Utah, which is the most alcohol-unfriendly state there is. That's why there are large liquor stores at the Utah border (Evanson, Wyo.; Mesquite, Nev.; Wendover, Nev.)

And it's completely legal to drink Fat Tire in Ohio and Kentucky. It's just not distributed by the company in those states so there is no legal way for stores/restaurants/bars to sell it.

Luckily for us, New Belgium is sold Greater Cincinnati, if you want to drive to Lawrenceburg or Harrison to get it. Yuengling is much more difficult to get, at least until October.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

Yes, it's perfectly legal to buy beer/alcohol in one state and transport it to another. It's even legal to buy beer elsewhere and bring it into Utah, which is the most alcohol-unfriendly state there is. That's why there are large liquor stores at the Utah border (Evanson, Wyo.; Mesquite, Nev.; Wendover, Nev.)

And it's completely legal to drink Fat Tire in Ohio and Kentucky. It's just not distributed by the company in those states so there is no legal way for stores/restaurants/bars to sell it.

Luckily for us, New Belgium is sold Greater Cincinnati, if you want to drive to Lawrenceburg or Harrison to get it. Yuengling is much more difficult to get, at least until October.

It's not quite so simple. States do have the authority to restrict movement of alcohol into the state, and many states have restrictions as to how much you can bring in from the outside before you have to declare it and pay taxes on it. Now Ohio probably isn't as uptight about this as Pennsylvania, but when I lived in Pittsburgh I remember the big deal was the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board actually used to station agents in West Virginia liquor stores and report back to waiting state troopers the license plate numbers of Pennsylvanians who were stocking up the sauce. It was probably happening in other bordering states too but we heard about the WV stores because a) they were closest to our local market, and b) WV caught on and kindly told the PLCB agents to fk off and get the hell out of their state.

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Yuck!

Yuengling will be to the 2010s what Rolling Rock was to the 1990s: a cheap regional beer that gains a brief following among people who are too cool to drink Budweiser.

Although Yuengling's porter isn't bad; still, it's not as good as Great Lakes' Edmund Fitzgerald porter.

Outside of local interest in Pennsylvania, I simply do not understand the appeal of Yuengling. It must be the novelty of it because it sure doesn't taste like anything special enough to merit the interest so many people seem to have in it.

Anyway, glad to see there's some movement thanks to this Morelein fellow but it almost sounds like he has the local craft-brew maret cornered (Rock Bottom and Hofbrau don't count though they have their own merits). How about some more players?

And what about just plain decent beer bars that sell regional/national/international craft beers? I've been to Beer Sellar. Expansive tap lineup but it's all stuff that isn't too hard to get your hands on elsewhere. Plus I felt like I was at a frat party and I'm too old for that nonsense. Allyn's has a good bottle selection but where are the tap lines? Dilly Deli (or "Dilly Cafe" as I suppose it's now called) had excellent beers on their lines -- but only had 10 lines. Have they expanded their options recently?

I also had the chance to hit up BarrelHouse's brewpub in OTR many years ago. That was a really cool place. Was it just not generating enough business or was something else involved in the closure of the brewpub? What about the brewery post-brewpub?

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by Drover

It's not quite so simple. States do have the authority to restrict movement of alcohol into the state, and many states have restrictions as to how much you can bring in from the outside before you have to declare it and pay taxes on it. Now Ohio probably isn't as uptight about this as Pennsylvania, but when I lived in Pittsburgh I remember the big deal was the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board actually used to station agents in West Virginia liquor stores and report back to waiting state troopers the license plate numbers of Pennsylvanians who were stocking up the sauce. It was probably happening in other bordering states too but we heard about the WV stores because a) they were closest to our local market, and b) WV caught on and kindly told the PLCB agents to fk off and get the hell out of their state.


Outside of local interest in Pennsylvania, I simply do not understand the appeal of Yuengling. It must be the novelty of it because it sure doesn't taste like anything special enough to merit the interest so many people seem to have in it.

Anyway, glad to see there's some movement thanks to this Morelein fellow but it almost sounds like he has the local craft-brew maret cornered (Rock Bottom and Hofbrau don't count though they have their own merits). How about some more players?

And what about just plain decent beer bars that sell regional/national/international craft beers? I've been to Beer Sellar. Expansive tap lineup but it's all stuff that isn't too hard to get your hands on elsewhere. Plus I felt like I was at a frat party and I'm too old for that nonsense. Allyn's has a good bottle selection but where are the tap lines? Dilly Deli (or "Dilly Cafe" as I suppose it's now called) had excellent beers on their lines -- but only had 10 lines. Have they expanded their options recently?

I also had the chance to hit up BarrelHouse's brewpub in OTR many years ago. That was a really cool place. Was it just not generating enough business or was something else involved in the closure of the brewpub? What about the brewery post-brewpub?

I'm not sure I'd call America's oldest brewery (1829) a novelty. I think it's earned the benefit of the doubt on that one. There are a ton of fad breweries with their popular-at-the-moment craft beers (Dogfish Head, Goose Island, etc.) that deserve to be dismissed as a novelty far more than Yuengling.

If you like beer bars, on your next visit to Cincinnati I recommend checking out Lackman at 13th and Vine in Over-the-Rhine which, just tonight, is hosting a Rivertown Brewery tasting event. I agree about avoiding the frat boy hangouts, and this place definitely isn't that. Check out their beer menu; they have some hard-to-find lagers:

Lackman Bar | Cincinnati | Rock Bar

As for BarrelHouse, I think they were forced out when the building was bought by the Art Academy of Cincinnati for their new OTR location. I'm not sure why BarrelHouse didn't open anywhere else, but I'm pretty sure they were forced out.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by Drover

Outside of local interest in Pennsylvania, I simply do not understand the appeal of Yuengling.

Well, it's better than Rolling Rock ... which is now made in New Jersey anyway. When we were kids, we called it "miner's p*ss". How do you think that pure mountain spring water gets replenished?

This conversation got me to thinking about the hip domestic beer of the late 70s/early 80s: Genesee Cream Ale. Anyone drink that anymore?

[progmac]

Originally Posted by abr7rmj

I'm not sure I'd call America's oldest brewery (1829) a novelty.

careful now, Molson fans may remind you that it was around in 17xx.

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by progmac

careful now, Molson fans may remind you that it was around in 17xx.

Molson, which is now owned by Molson Coors and is part of the much larger Coors empire, would be considered North America's oldest. Yuengling is the oldest in the United States.

[progmac]

didn't know that about Molson being owned by Coors. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Gil3]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Yuck!

Yuengling will be to the 2010s what Rolling Rock was to the 1990s: a cheap regional beer that gains a brief following among people who are too cool to drink Budweiser.

Although Yuengling's porter isn't bad; still, it's not as good as Great Lakes' Edmund Fitzgerald porter.

I've been drinking Yeungling (lager) for over 20 years now before it became popular outside of PA.

This brew is MUCH better than rolling rock, bud and simply a great "go to" beer anytime. Their black and tan and premium beers are nothing to sneeze at either.