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Old 12-14-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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What exactly is that supposed to mean? What difference does it make if we watch those videos? It's not exactly like the streetcars will affect us....or are you advocating that we all move downtown?
That is supposed to mean, that many people think we will be getting crappy, uncomfortable, loud, old style streetcars like we had in the past, which is not the case. We will be getting incredibly modern, quiet, smooth-riding streetcars which are a joy to ride.

Even most of Prague's trams are much more retro than what Cincy will be getting. Take a look at Dresden's trams or Portland's to see what Cincy's streetcars will be like.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Even most of Prague's trams are much more retro than what Cincy will be getting. Take a look at Dresden's trams or Portland's to see what Cincy's streetcars will be like.
Thanks for making this distinction clear, CinciFan. In my haste to recommend looking at the streetcars of Prague, I forgot to mention that so many of their cars were of the retro-look, although still modern and functional. What overwhelmed me the most, perhaps, as I discovered these videos several years ago, was the sheer vitality and dominance of the streetcars within the central city.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Average monthly salary in the Prague is $1,300 US. So tell me now how we should pattern Cincinnati after them.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:59 PM
 
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Oh yeah, all of Prague's trams are great. We spent a weekend there this summer, and went all over the city on them. I loved not having to touch a car once while in Europe this summer, but I was still able to go everywhere I wanted to go.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:07 PM
 
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Average monthly salary in the Prague is $1,300 US. So tell me now how we should pattern Cincinnati after them.
Once again, no one suggested that we use Prague as an example for Cincinnati. He was giving an example of a place where a streetcar system works well. He even said that, in his last sentence. The lack of reading comprehension around here is astounding.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:08 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Phillys Trams have gotten really popular in recently years , Ridership has gone from 85,000 (2007) to 120,000 (2011) and more restorations and expansions are planned....over the next 2 decades...they will be replaced with Portland Gen 2 Trams later this decade...


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SEPTA 1981 Kawasaki Series 100 LRV #9099 on route 10 at 40th St. and Lancaster Ave [HD] - YouTube


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Old 12-14-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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^Very true Traveler87.

This was probably because the trams are 10x quieter, 10x smoother, and hold a lot more people than any bus.

Just sharing my observations.
Hmm. Well, I grew up in a city with the old style streetcars, they were the size of a bus, about 10 times noisier, the ride was crap (really jerky).

Now, within the last year I rode the SF streetcar. They held about as much as a bus, but they were open to the air. The ride sort of sucked, but it didn't matter, because you were in SF, and at the end of the ride, you are at the ocean and Ghiradelli square.

I would doubt Cincy street cars will be open, since we have winters. No Ghiradelli square, no ocean...but we do have some great hills and great architecture!

So, maybe there is some sort of subtle reason it is better to make them ride on rails rather than just make slow moving busses that look exactly like streetcars and have a bell the "conductor" rings.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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wolden... You just don't understand man. The reason the streetcar will produce this unprecendented investment along its route is due to the commitment involved. Once you sink those rails into the street and all of the rest of the infrastructure it is rather commited to, you don't easily change the route. Now a bus can be changed on a moments notice. So based on this unwavering commitment, the private investment will come, dedicated like the City is to the area. Now if you buy that I have some swamp land in Florida I would like to discuss with you.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Oxford, Ohio
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That is supposed to mean, that many people think we will be getting crappy, uncomfortable, loud, old style streetcars like we had in the past, which is not the case. We will be getting incredibly modern, quiet, smooth-riding streetcars which are a joy to ride.

Even most of Prague's trams are much more retro than what Cincy will be getting. Take a look at Dresden's trams or Portland's to see what Cincy's streetcars will be like.
So why did you...er, Motorman (I'm so confused as to why you're speaking for him)...address your (his) comment to the "hard-core suburbanites"? We unenlightened folk that live out yonder ain't got 'nuthin to do wit it. UNLESS, of course - as I indicated - you think (he thinks) we should all move downtown.

At any rate, I didn't think anything about what kind of streetcars we...er, you guys...would be getting. It's not relevant to me. Unless, of course, you all want to pay for them to come up to Oxford.

Yep, that's what I thought.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:07 PM
 
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wolden... You just don't understand man. The reason the streetcar will produce this unprecendented investment along its route is due to the commitment involved. Once you sink those rails into the street and all of the rest of the infrastructure it is rather commited to, you don't easily change the route. Now a bus can be changed on a moments notice. So based on this unwavering commitment, the private investment will come, dedicated like the City is to the area. Now if you buy that I have some swamp land in Florida I would like to discuss with you.
Oh, I see

But you know, when they have to cover up all those street car rails later, it is really annoying and expensive.
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