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Old 07-15-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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That's solid logic. Wait for the city to to be recover economically before pursuing projects that would help the city recover economically.
I bet you and Steve Chabot would get along swimmingly.
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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You can't use gas taxes to fix the economy. Where else you think the funding for transportation comes from?
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Old 07-15-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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@ Kjbrill: The streetcar will travel down to 2nd Street, which is directly above the transit center. You will be able to get off the streetcar and go down the steps directly into the transit center. It will be a nice transfer point once light/commuter rail is built.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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@ Kjbrill: The streetcar will travel down to 2nd Street, which is directly above the transit center. You will be able to get off the streetcar and go down the steps directly into the transit center. It will be a nice transfer point once light/commuter rail is built.
By the time light/commuter rail is built it will have to be refurbished having sat empty so long.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:05 PM
 
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^ Sad but probably true
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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The Eastern Corridor commuter rail will get no funding because it's a fake project. It's a mirage concocted by Todd Portune to confuse the electorate. It's designed to distract people from the long-planned I-74 extension across central Hamilton County and out to Clermont County.

The primary purpose of the Transit Center is not transit -- it's to maintain a way for freight trains to travel across the riverfront. They (and by they I mean Republican Mike Dewine) got the free federal money to build it by making it appear to be a transit project. It replaced the function of the single track that traveled east-west beneath the Riverfront Stadium parking garage. The tracks are still there in the riverfront parks...for freight trains to cross the riverfront via the Transit Center a new track would have to be built parallel to Pete Rose Way for about a mile. On the west side, it would connect with the track that still exists parallel to 3rd St. behind Longworth Hall.

The Transit Center of course could technically be used by commuter trains, or even commuter and freight trains. But that is not the primary reason why it was built.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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The Eastern Corridor commuter rail will get no funding because it's a fake project. It's a mirage concocted by Todd Portune to confuse the electorate. It's designed to distract people from the long-planned I-74 extension across central Hamilton County and out to Clermont County.
Where would the right-of-way for such an extension cut through the city? That's absolutely the last thing we need.

Aren't there term limits for county commissioners? He's jumped the shark.
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Old 07-16-2012, 01:19 PM
 
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No it would be a redesignation of short parts of I-75, the Norwood Lateral, and I-71 as shared I-74. Where the Red Bank exit is off of I-71 would become I-74, then continue on Red Bank rebuilt as an expressway, then over the Little Miami, then out to US 32 at I-275.

I went to one of the meetings last year in Madisonville and the crowd was irate. They had diagrams there of the full expressway that they didn't post on their website. It was a wild scene.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Jmecklenbord. Now that the casino is being built in Cincinnati is the Lawrenceburg line off the books?
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Well it was never even studied to begin with. The one deceptive aspect of the 2002 Metro Moves campaign was that Metro Moves *never* intended to study or build commuter rail, yet Todd Portune had lines indicating that it would included on the widely distributed system map.

I've never seen any ridership estimates for the Lawrenceburg line, but it's probably pretty low. Probably lower than 3,000/day, so only worth doing if it can be implemented very cheaply.

Meanwhile commuter rail up the Mill Creek Valley would have pretty high ridership but would also be very expensive to construct. A fourth mainline between Ivorydale Junction and Union Terminal would cost $100 million (that is a recent estimate), and trackwork between Union Terminal and the Transit Center would probably cost another $100 million. Obviously these capital expenses could have been piggy-backed with the 3C project but we elected Kasich and he threw our $400 milllion away to Maine and California.

The Transit Center with intercity Amtrak trains to Dayton, Columbus, and Cleveland would be great, but then the addition of local commuter service on one of the lines to Hamilton would have been even better.
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