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Old 07-17-2012, 08:15 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach
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For what is the purpose? Are you going to commute daily to class or to work after you graduate? To me this is a completely unsubstantiated number. Reminds me of the old build it and they will come syndrome. No, document a need and it may be built, if enough people believe it can sustain itself. I personally don't think it can.
Build it and they will come... Sure did turn our that way for highways. Rail would also make it easier for students to commute back to their home towns, which can be quite frequently. Teachers as well. Also, the amount of festivities and sports events would only be boosted by the connectivity of rail in addition to highways. It's really not that foreign of a concept and this being the 7th largest state, I see no way people won't support it. Why not build the infrastructure to boost the commuter activity between our largest cities? Highways...cool, but gas is expensive and not everyone owns a car, especially younger folks . Airplanes...inconvenient more so than not. Efficient rail...comfortable and economic
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Build it and they will come... Sure did turn our that way for highways. Rail would also make it easier for students to commute back to their home towns, which can be quite frequently. Teachers as well. Also, the amount of festivities and sports events would only be boosted by the connectivity of rail in addition to highways. It's really not that foreign of a concept and this being the 7th largest state, I see no way people won't support it. Why not build the infrastructure to boost the commuter activity between our largest cities? Highways...cool, but gas is expensive and not everyone owns a car, especially younger folks . Airplanes...inconvenient more so than not. Efficient rail...comfortable and economic
Unfortrunately the same can be said for a Greyhound bus, comfortable and economic. Have you ridden one recently? Really are comfortable but people shun them like a plague. I feel the rail is about in the same league.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:20 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach
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Unfortrunately the same can be said for a Greyhound bus, comfortable and economic. Have you ridden one recently? Really are comfortable but people shun them like a plague. I feel the rail is about in the same league.
But it's not. Have u ever used Amtrak? Those trips are comfy , economic and sometime scenic. Imagine how much better it would be at high speed, instead of the day long trips of the present. And I wish people would stop the bus-train comparisons, they're two completely different modes of transportation. On another note Megabus>>>>Grey Hound
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Old 07-17-2012, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Amtrak is expensive. $1500 round trip from Cincinnati to San Diego. 68 hours too.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:12 AM
 
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>Have you ridden one recently?

I've ridden Greyhound about 30 times.

>Really are comfortable but people shun them like a plague.

No, it sucks. The people stink, won't stop talking about stupid stuff, the bus itself rattles, and the seats are smaller.

>I feel the rail is about in the same league

You're wrong. You're always wrong.
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Old 07-18-2012, 05:01 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Amtrak is expensive. $1500 round trip from Cincinnati to San Diego. 68 hours too.
Thats over a thousand miles...so thats just right. If you book ahead its probably closer to 1000$.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Just who are all of these people desiring to travel between Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland? All of the guys driving the 18-wheelers are hardly a candidate to be passengers. The families passing through on vacations between Michigan and Florida are in the same category. The traveling salesman who would have to have a rental car after arrival to visit their customers, where is the gain?
When I was in College it was all the time. I knew a lot of people who went to OSU, and would have killed to have skipped out on the very boring 1 hour 30 min drive to just have a train drop me off at High Street and then go up to the University district where all my friends lived. Even today most of my Columbus friends live within walking distance of high street which is Urban enough to be able to get around without a car (though sadly the outer reaches of Columbus are another story). Megabus does do this, but the bus leaves at 4 am as part of a run from Chicago, though for a brief time as part of a run to Pittsburgh they had one that went through Columbus at a convenient time in the afternoon. It would make way more sense for Megabus to run a bus through the 3Cs connecting both Cleveland and Cincinnati to the Capitol which would also be a plus, but given their model's lack of flexibility outside of the east coast, I don't know if we will be seeing that anytime soon. I took that bus once when visiting Ohio to meet up with a friend in Columbus in the evening before catching an 11pm bus back to Cincy, was quite nice - I would have ridden it every other weekend back in College.

Oh and Megabus is way better than Greyhound, though Greyhound is trying recently with their express service, they still have a nasty reputation to shake that attracts a very low end clientele and seedy stations.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: In a happy place
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But it's not. Have u ever used Amtrak? Those trips are comfy , economic and sometime scenic. Imagine how much better it would be at high speed, instead of the day long trips of the present. And I wish people would stop the bus-train comparisons, they're two completely different modes of transportation. On another note Megabus>>>>Grey Hound
We live in a community in NW Ohio with an Amtrak station within 8 miles of our house. We can drive to Cincinnati in approximately 3 1/2 hours.

I just checked the Amtrak schedule to take the train down sometime. We would need to board the train at 7:05 am and would arrive in Cincinnati at 3:17 am the next morning. The majority of that time would be sitting in the train station in Chicago. Cost -$236 for 2 people.

Return trip - Leave Cincinnati at 1:23 am. Arrive at destination 1:40 AM the next morning. Cost - $220 for 2.

Sorry - It's NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You can talk all you want about high speed rail connecting the 3Cs, but unless you have a plan that includes the entire state, you aren't going to convince me.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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We live in a community in NW Ohio with an Amtrak station within 8 miles of our house. We can drive to Cincinnati in approximately 3 1/2 hours.

I just checked the Amtrak schedule to take the train down sometime. We would need to board the train at 7:05 am and would arrive in Cincinnati at 3:17 am the next morning. The majority of that time would be sitting in the train station in Chicago. Cost -$236 for 2 people.

Return trip - Leave Cincinnati at 1:23 am. Arrive at destination 1:40 AM the next morning. Cost - $220 for 2.

Sorry - It's NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You can talk all you want about high speed rail connecting the 3Cs, but unless you have a plan that includes the entire state, you aren't going to convince me.
Thats long distance Amtrak , 3C's and HSR would be different. Along with Regional Rail , they all operate different. Long Distance routes are mean't for Vacations and not commuting. About Half of Amtrak routes in the Midwest are short Inner State lines and not long Distance. So you would use the nearby Amtrak station for vacation , if Commuter Rail ran on the tracks then you use the Commuter or Regional Rail train. Commuter Rail runs during peak hours , Regional Rail runs all day or 21hrs a day like Metra and the Northeast Systems... High Speed Rail runs every 30-60 mins between large cities and towns usually large college towns ,and people use it to substitute flying at least with speeds above 160mph which the Midwestern plan calls for...

Actually Ohio and the other Midwestern and Northeastern states have a statewide plan , only IL , MA , CT , NJ , RI have acted on there plans which are half completed in most cases... Ohios plan includes servicing the entire state , large and decent sized cities with Trunk Lines with speeds of 230mph+ and feeder and Secondary lines with speeds up to 125mph+. Only Cleveland has a regional plan , connecting its surrounding cities... Once the whole Midwestern Plan is completed in 2040 , you should be able to leave when you please like every 30 minutes.

As for Cost see chart below.... Funding by Private is unlikely in WI , OH , and IN due Private offers being turned down and the Talgo mess in WI has shown the In't community that investing in the US should be avoided. IL , MN have left their doors open and have gotten some bids and some lines could be built later this decade with true HSR 200mph+



Public and Private Projects

Northeastern Rail Master Plans - NJ - NY - PA - DE - MA - RI - CT - VT - ME - NH - MD - VA
Current System Size in 2012 : 5235 Mi
System Size by 2050 : 15,470 Mi
Cost of New lines : 280 Billion $ (2011 Estimates)
Current Ridership Q1 2012 : 18.9 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 31.8 Million


Midwestern Rail Master Plans - IL - IN - MN - WI - OH - MO - MN - MI - IA
Current System size in 2012 : 3324 Mi
System Size by 2050 : 7803 Mi
Cost of New lines : 193 Billion $ (2011 Estimates)
Current Ridership Q1 2012 : 4.2 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 15.1 Million


West Coast Rail Master Plans - CA - WA - OR
Current System size in 2012 : 2250 Mi
System size by 2050 : 3820 Mi
Cost of New lines : 390 Billion $ (2011 Estimates)
Current Ridership Q1 2012 : 4.1 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 20.3 Million


California High Speed Rail Network
Size : 800+ Mi (1,300kms)
Number of lines : 6
Stations : 25+
Projected Ridership : 95 Million a Year or 260,730 Daily
Projected Revenue : N/A
Top Speed : 220mph (350Km/h)
Cost : 68.5 Billion $


Midwest High Speed Rail Network
Size : 1,800 Mi+ (1,296Kms)
Stations : 76+ (Feeders factored in)
Lines : 6+ with 7 Feeders
Projected Ridership : 43 Million a year or 120,000 daily (Feeders factored in)
Projected Revenue : 2.2 Billion
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Top Speed on Secondary / Feeder lines : 125mph (201Km/h)
Cost : 70 Billion $


Texas High Speed Rail Network
Size : 680 Mi+ (1,259kms)
Stations : 15
Lines : 5
Projected Ridership : 18.5 Million a year or 55,000 Daily
Projected Revenue : N/A
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Cost : 35 Billion $


Cascadia Corridor
Size : 407 Mi (753km)
Stations : 11
Lines : 1
Projected Ridership : 12.8 Million a year or 35,000 Daily
Projected Revenue : N/A
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 170mph (273Km/h)
Cost : 20 Billion $


Northeastern High Speed / Intercity Network
Size : 2,280 Mi+ (4,222kms)
Lines : 2 trunk lines + with 10 Feeders
Stations : 150+ (Feeders factored in)
Projected Ridership : 200 Million a year or 550,000 daily (Feeders factored in)
Projected Revenue : 7.5 Billion
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Top Speed on Secondary / Feeder lines : 125mph (201Km/h)
Cost : 152 Billion $ (Revised)


Taken from MWHSR , CAHSR and AMtrak Next gen sources and other sources
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Rrtechno, your post is absurd. You're an example of the sort of person the Tea Party has tricked into directing their anger at Amtrak and the Post Office.

I've ridden Amtrak on the east coast many times and it's a wonderful service - much nicer than buses or flying. I've also ridden it between Portland and Seattle.

We have crappy rail service in Ohio because Ohians have been tricked into voting against their self-interest for decades. Cincinnati has The Cardinal only because Senator Bryd of West Virginia insisted that his state must have Amtrak service back when it was established in the early 70's. He demanded that it travel through West Virginia during the daylight hours. That's why it comes through Cincinnati at 3am.

The Cincinnati area has more people than the entire state of West Virginia, yet it's the place that gets pooped on by Amtrak. That's what happens when you have a city led by the likes of Tom Luken, Steve Chabot, et al. They're all old-fashioned hucksters and all the dumb old people keep voting for them year after year because Talk Radio tells them to.
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