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Old 03-19-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati near
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My point was that public transit lives and dies by being the most convenient way to access a destination for the middle class. It does not "thrive" by being the only option for people that can't afford a car. 'Work' is only one destination: shopping, entertainment, and medical care are examples of others.

Demand for public transit will only spike when the middle class doesn't have convenient access to desirable destinations. Whether it is traffic congestion, parking, or sky-high rents, there needs to be something that puts a barrier of access to the middle class for a destination or the demand for public transit will stay flat.

To paraphrase my original point in very simple terms: if the demographic profiles of Walnut Hills, Corryville, Mt. Auburn, and the West End were transposed with those of Hyde Park, Indian Hill, Mariemont, and Montgomery, a 1 BR in OTR would be $1500 and we would have a robust rail system within 2-3 miles of downtown.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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Depends on what you consider convenient. A significant number of people would rather play on their tablet or smartphone instead of jockeying for lane changes, sitting in traffic or waiting at red lights, even if it means a slightly longer time being in-transit. Present the option and people will take it. Not to mention that housing and shopping and other destinations will pop up adjacent to rail stations because the stations are there, which then actually makes it faster and more convenient in every way to get to many places for many people via rail.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Depends on what you consider convenient. A significant number of people would rather play on their tablet or smartphone instead of jockeying for lane changes, sitting in traffic or waiting at red lights, even if it means a slightly longer time being in-transit. Present the option and people will take it. Not to mention that housing and shopping and other destinations will pop up adjacent to rail stations because the stations are there, which then actually makes it faster and more convenient in every way to get to many places for many people via rail.
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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We do have some suburban park and ride locations, but we certainly could use more.
I agree.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Hmm Albuquerque to Santa Fe seems to be doing alright. Salt Lake City system is doing well. The Nashville is the only one that i heard of is not doing so great.

Those above metro's don't have the density of Cincinnati and Dayton.
I think the Minneapolis system is another that isn't doing so great at least not great to warrant any expansions.

Nashville's system, is a single line on a single track, so they basically got the short end of the stick from the beginning.

As for Portland's system, I always thought that they placed the line in the wrong place.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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I think the Minneapolis system is another that isn't doing so great at least not great to warrant any expansions.

Nashville's system, is a single line on a single track, so they basically got the short end of the stick from the beginning.

As for Portland's system, I always thought that they placed the line in the wrong place.
Certainly, an informative and provocative comment on all accounts, but an elaboration on these three cities would prove interesting. (The one I'm most interested in, personally, is Portland for its well-known tie-in with Cincinnati.)
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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I think the Minneapolis system is another that isn't doing so great at least not great to warrant any expansions.

Nashville's system, is a single line on a single track, so they basically got the short end of the stick from the beginning.

As for Portland's system, I always thought that they placed the line in the wrong place.
Minneapolis' light rail attracted 10,498,236 riders last year. That's an average of 28,762 riders per day. Seems pretty good to me.

Their commuter rail is not doing as well, however.

https://www.metrotransit.org/metro-t...ops-81-million
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