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Old 08-27-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Ft Washington Way's remake to elminate the downtown ramps was a good step forward. For those who still object, then run I-71 across the current I-471 route into KY and seal off the downtown. Does anyone believe this is a viable alternative?

Many a city/town who avoided the interstates have seen their area die on the vine. A good example is Washington Courthouse Ohio. They fought to not have the interstate come close, a battle they won. So development has been virtually non-existent over several decades.
Several provocative observations here deserve further examination:

(1) If I-71 had been funneled south across the I-471 route (linking up with I-75 in KY), why wouldn't this have been a viable alternative to cutting the DT off from its riverfront? The DT wouldn't have been "sealed off" from I-71 traffic--such traffic would either exit/enter DT immediately north of the Lytle Tunnel, much as it does now. (Any thoughts here, anyone?)

(2) While it's true that many city/towns bypassed by the interstates lost valuable commerce/development, this seems to be another matter. The diversion of I-71 away from the beloved riverfront wouldn't diminish this interstate's commercial value to the city, would it?

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Old 08-27-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Bridgetown, Ohio
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Why is the airport a debacle? The Blue Ash site would have been a debacle. Too small, too hard to get to, and the flight conjestion over town would have been horrendous.
If you would have read a previous post, nobody suggested Blue Ash as the site of the regional airport, though at the time it probably made as much sense as Northern Kentucky.

The mistake was not recognizing the growth between Cincinnati and Dayton and making a regional airport somewhere between the two cities.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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If you would have read a previous post, nobody suggested Blue Ash as the site of the regional airport, though at the time it probably made as much sense as Northern Kentucky.

The mistake was not recognizing the growth between Cincinnati and Dayton and making a regional airport somewhere between the two cities.
A regional airport between Cincinnati and Dayton would just have been one big inconvenience to both. There are those who complain about the growth of megacities and then those who want Cincy and Dayton to merge. Which is it?

The current airport did a lot to spur growth in NKY. A regional airport between Cincy and Dayton would have left NKY on the outside looking in. Same goes for the north side of Dayton. I believe growth in NKY is good for the entire area.
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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The current airport did a lot to spur growth in NKY. A regional airport between Cincy and Dayton would have left NKY on the outside looking in. Same goes for the north side of Dayton. I believe growth in NKY is good for the entire area.
A very reasonable and logical observation. Needless to say, there's no computer-simulation that would allow us a look into an alternate "present," with CVG positioned between Cincy and Dayton (say somewhere just south of Monroe, etc.) or in Greene Co. (just south of Jamestown, etc.) Either location might have proved a boon to the central region--but, sad to say, both NKY and north Dayton would be different--and not for the better. We'll never know; these were the "roads not taken."
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:07 PM
 
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One Saturday in 1997 or '98, my home phone rang and it was John Allen, former GM of the Cincinnati Reds. I have to admit, I was somewhat taken aback, and at first I didn't believe it was him. He was responding to a letter I had written about the stadium citing debate. Mr. Allen argued that the construction challenges were too great to overcome at the Broadway site, that there was a 100 year old sewer main under the parking lot there that would have to be fixed.
And, that's where the casino is going
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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How about lack of planning. My grandparents owned a house that was "taken" from them during the expansion of the Ronald Regan (Cross County) Highway. After it was finished the planners discovered there was no (seamless) way to get from southbound I-75 to the RR highway. You have to exit onto Galbraith and face the traffic and traffic lights to get to "the highway". My grandparents house was sold in 1971 or 1972 and they were aware for many years before then that their house was in the path of progress. So for about 15-20 years they thought they might actually live out their lives in their house before construction began.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati near
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It seems to me that the construction of the Fay Apartments was, in hindsight, a giant blunder. A general rule of thumb is that flat land on top of a hill is prime real estate, especially if it is at a convenient location. With no commercial or industrial mixed use, the whole housing project was destined to fail from day 1. Regardless of your political philosophy, I don't think anyone advocates the deliberate construction of a slum neighborhood on a scenic vista that is geographically isolated from jobs, shopping, and public transit.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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It seems to me that the construction of the Fay Apartments was, in hindsight, a giant blunder. A general rule of thumb is that flat land on top of a hill is prime real estate, especially if it is at a convenient location. With no commercial or industrial mixed use, the whole housing project was destined to fail from day 1. Regardless of your political philosophy, I don't think anyone advocates the deliberate construction of a slum neighborhood on a scenic vista that is geographically isolated from jobs, shopping, and public transit.
High density public housing projects no matter where they are located are a monuments to the stupidity of man. Fay Apartments, Laurel Homes, Cabrini Green, you name it, they are failures. Hell holes for the people forced to live in them, cancers to the neighborhoods surrounding them.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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I feel many of us can attest to the fact large scale public housing projects are doomed before they are completed. If we must have public housing then spread it out, with a limit more like 5% or a max 10% in any one area. Make those in charge demonstrate the kids are attending the local schools, those involved are actively seeking employment, etc. Something creative needs to be done to offset the cycle of poverty much of this is associated with. Just living on the public dole has been shown to not be the answer. So chime in here what needs to be done. How do we be both considerate of those in need but also create an atmosphere where they crawl out of the bottoms? There must be some way to break the cycle of poverty? What is it?
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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I feel many of us can attest to the fact large scale public housing projects are doomed before they are completed. If we must have public housing then spread it out, with a limit more like 5% or a max 10% in any one area. Make those in charge demonstrate the kids are attending the local schools, those involved are actively seeking employment, etc. Something creative needs to be done to offset the cycle of poverty much of this is associated with. Just living on the public dole has been shown to not be the answer. So chime in here what needs to be done. How do we be both considerate of those in need but also create an atmosphere where they crawl out of the bottoms? There must be some way to break the cycle of poverty? What is it?
Would you be okay with 10% public housing in Mason, including in your subdivision/area?
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