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Old 06-23-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Pretty much everyone I know (and I'm in business) thinks Chiquita is an absolute disgrace of company. Not only do they not seem to have any sense of business ethics, but their earnings have been steadily decreasing for years. People in Cincy are thrilled they are not here anymore. Charlotte got played like a fool.

By the way, within about two weeks after Chiquita's announcement that it would leave Cincy (and 300 jobs would be lost), it was announced that about 1,100 jobs would move here from out of state. We are doing just fine.
No you would be better if the chiquita jobs were not lost in the first place. As a friend who works in corp relo, southern cities are an easier sell than a midwestern city.

A 7.5 percent unemployment rate is not fine. You should expect your politicos to work harder.
Of course other places have it better or worse. There arent a long line of large companies dying to relocate right now.. Its the economy stupid.

Im sure cincinnati is fine for some people,i was not criticizing it.. I was pointing out the attitude of who cares if a company
Leaves ANY city is not a positive. The city and state should work as hard retaining companies as they are trying to encurage companies to relocate. No need for parochial provincialism.

Btw what are these 1500 new jobs... High income high tech? Manufacturing? I id a quivk google to no avail. In the 90s UPS looked at Ohio as a possible new site for HQ, Atlanta was an easier sell to execs and to employees as they wanted to keep as many employees as possible.. It has brought millions to the Atlanta economy... They felt too many would quit if Ohio was chosen and they wanted milder wintersvand lower COL.

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Old 06-23-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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minibrings...

You trying to tell me Atlanta is a lower COL than Cincinnati? You must be smoking something. And if UPS headquarters is in Atlanta, why is their major midwestern air hub in Louisville?

The businesses coming to Cincinnati are not just one. A large one is Medpace, an international drug development services company, which will be employing around 1,300. Most of the companies actually locating within the City are in the services industry of one type of another. There is a new one called DunnhumbyUSA, a market research company jointly owned by Kroger and the original company in the UK. It has just been recently announced they will be building a new skyscraper in Cincinnati. By the way, I believe their area of business also comes under the general label of logistics. They are projecting over 1,000 employees. But when you stop and think about it, most of our Fortune 500 companies are service businesses. P&G makes products, but those products are nothing more than services to the people who purchase them.

Interestingly, I looked up the Chiquita Center in Cincinnati with respect to leases. They only listed one vacancy, approx 1,700 sq. ft. comprised of 77 office partitions plus some conference rooms, etc. Apparently they have not been hurt too bad.

When DHL shut down their major US air hub in Wilmington, Ohio it was offered to UPS. Their comment was it was more expensive than their current hub at Louisville. If the truth be known, they probably could not handle all of the Wilmington facility plus were likely tied into a lease at Louisvile they were unwilling to buy out of.

What many people do not recognize is that when DHL shut down their facility at Wilmington, Ohio they also shut down their local ground distribution of goods in the US at the same time. The facility at Wilmington, Ohio in addition to the air base, was a large ware housing and sorting operation, both for ground transportation and further air distribution.

You also have to remember DHL bought out Airborne Express. They were going to be the global competitor to FedEx and UPS. The big item and what eventually broke their back was they would offer ground pickup-delivery just like FedEx and UPS. Apparently that is what never got off the ground profit wise. If you are going to compete, you have to have the local trucks running all over the country. But if your business volume is too low, they are bleeding you to death.

I still have a very bad taste in my mouth for DHL. They entered a business market they were not willing to sustain. They devastated the City of Wilmington. And now they are back over at CVG, where they started. They are still a significant international freight carrier, and now they want to expand their CVG operation. My attitude would be fine, but you pay foir it. No long term loans or bonds which the citizens of KY are obligated for.
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Old 06-23-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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I was not criticizing Cincinnati by any means, just pointing out that you should care about every job loss
How is that so impossible to grasp? Perhaps if you lower your defensiveness abiut your city its not a difficult concept to grasp. Im sure it has its advantages and are better logistically or worse tha others.. But a loss is a loss. Period.
Lower the defensiveness about our city? This thread had been dead and buried since February until a newbie Charlotte poster, who just joined C-D last month, revived it in order to place photos of Chiquita's new building and, hilariously, the Charlotte skyline. There is a word for that, you know. And you're attacking us for being defensive? Good grief ...

Your city convinced a greedy banana company to set up shop there for a few years by offering it pot-of-gold incentives ... good for you. People here really couldn't care less. As has been mentioned, Chiquita's relatively small vacancy has already been filled and then quintupled by a much larger out-of-state company moving in.

Now, please, go back to dreaming of one day being like Atlanta or thinking about what next company your city can steal from somewhere else.

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Old 06-24-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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Lower the defensiveness about our city? This thread had been dead and buried since February until a newbie Charlotte poster, who just joined C-D last month, revived it in order to place photos of Chiquita's new building and, hilariously, the Charlotte skyline. There is a word for that, you know. And you're attacking us for being defensive? Good grief ...

Your city convinced a greedy banana company to set up shop there for a few years by offering it pot-of-gold incentives ... good for you. People here really couldn't care less. As has been mentioned, Chiquita's relatively small vacancy has already been filled and then quintupled by a much larger out-of-state company moving in.

Now, please, go back to dreaming of one day being like Atlanta or thinking about what next company your city can steal from somewhere else.
Thanks for proving my point about being defensive and parochial!

Old threads get revitilized all the time in CD... A company moves to a new city to save tax revenue and improve its balance sheet.. is greedy? Wake up and smell the roses.. what company isnt greedy?

BTW I am NOT FROM CHARLOTTE! I could care less about Charlotte OR Cincinnati!

I've never even been to Charlotte!!!

Nice try at a failure of a response!
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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BTW I am NOT FROM CHARLOTTE! I could care less about Charlotte OR Cincinnati!

I've never even been to Charlotte!!!
Oh, I see. You are just coming through to stir up trouble.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Oh, I see. You are just coming through to stir up trouble.
Cant people read.. I am not knocking on your city.. Jeez.. Ive said it several times..

i AM NOT KNOCKING CINCI DOWN

Why is it so hard for people to understand a loss of a company HQ is not a positive given a tight economy?
Who cares if they are greedy? Why is it so hard for people to understand a ciry should spend as much energy in RETAINING existing companies as it does recruiting new companies.

Causing trouble? Its common economic sense but obtusion is preventing the grasp of a basic concept.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Why is it so hard for people to understand a loss of a company HQ is not a positive given a tight economy?
It's simple. Ohio and Cincy tried to keep them and they left anyway because they were going to anyway. The loss has already been turned into a gain by getting Nielson in the old Chiquita building.

In other words, it's old news and we don't care. The loss has already been more than offset by many, many other gains. You would know what they were if you actually knew anything about Cincinnati.

So.....who put you on the pedestal of lecturing people from Cincy on a CD forum board how we should act, feel, etc?

Just a hint....it comes off really pompous.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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On a forum people express their opinions. Its not lecuring or being pompous. Its the nature of an internet forum.

Ergo, anyone who posts an opinion, including yourself, on CD.. is inherantly.. pompous

I'm sure when Chiquit moved to NY to Cincinnati there were crowds of people demanind they not relocate there since its such a greedy company. or was that moinicker adapted after they announced their move to NC?

If you don't like what I am trying to say, please put me on ignore. I could care less what a *@()*#(*)_ thinks...

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Old 06-24-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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^ You've provided several valuable considerations, minibrings--and old wounds are being reopened here in defense, but only because some joker posted a picture of Charlotte. (Nice looking city, really...but where's the Nascar Building?)
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Well I told Tom Jones my next trip to the Queen city I'd buy him a beer.. I;ll add you to the list.

The question that is burning in my head is the name of a neighborhood,, it was east of downtown.. you had a nice view of downtown.. and it had good restaurants.. I believe the museum where I saw the forbidden mapplethorpe exhibit was in that area (not sure though).. I really liked that hood and a Thai restaurant I ate in.. I'd take Cinci over Columbus in a heartbeat (I've been all over COL), not sure about Cleveland.. Cleveland is good foodie city but their winters suck

I stay at that round hotel in covington, with a view of the city.

I have never had a desire to live in Charlotte. The Chiquita HQ is located within the NASCAR building.. lol..
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