09-14-2011, 08:25 AM
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Is Chiquita looking at entering newer and poorer markets? The bilingual thing gets me too. Chiquita has been in Cincinnati many decades and has never been an issue in the past. I bet it's the city council and state of Ohio that makes to want them to leave.
How can you recruit top talent when the state pulls money like from the streetcar to compete with other areas of the country???
09-14-2011, 08:27 AM
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The airport argument I can buy, but not the lack of bilingual employees argument. If Chiquita can't find bilingual employees, it's not looking very hard.
IMO, the airport issue can be fixed by simply adding more flights (landing a major hub again).
The bilingual issue is a little more complicated. By "bilingual" they (Chiquita) most likely mean folks who speak Spanish as a first language (not Americans that learned Spanish as a second language). Remember that Chiquita does a ton of business down in South America. Those folks (in South America) aren't very interested in speaking to people that have "American accents" while trying to speak Spanish (they wish to hear their own accents, or something similar). Americans are not different when it comes to not liking unfamiliar foreign accents, so we can't blame them.
With that said, this "bilingual" issue is really an ethnic diversity issue; and on that note, Cincy is lacking on Hispanic diversity when compared to southern cities.
I did a quick search on the latest census data of Miami, Charlotte, and the Cincy areas. Miami (obviously) blows Charlotte and Cincy away with a 65% Hispanic population. However, Charlotte's 12.2% vs Cincy's 2.6% is a fairly large difference too (these are all county percentages btw, not city).
Chiquita also has operations in Asia (so there could be a need for Asian born Americans as well). Miami is 1.5% Asian. Cincy is 2%; while Charlotte is 4.6%.
It is anyone's guess at this point as to what Chiquita's wishes are. Just remember that this isn't the first time Chiquita played the "we're moving down south" card. I doubt they are serious; but if they are serious: Charlotte and Miami are strong contenders when it comes to diversity and airports. IMO, Miami just makes the most sense.
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Is Chiquita looking at entering newer and poorer markets?
I wouldn't call Miami nor Charlotte "poorer" markets. Not by a long shot.
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The bilingual thing gets me too. Chiquita has been in Cincinnati many decades and has never been an issue in the past.
The demographics of America is changing. Hispanics now make up nearly 17% of the US population (now the second largest ethnic group behind whites and ahead of blacks). The ethnic diversity (or lack thereof) in Cincy does not reflect "New America".
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I bet it's the city council and state of Ohio that makes to want them to leave.
How can you recruit top talent when the state pulls money like from the streetcar to compete with other areas of the country???
This has got nothing to do with a streetcar. Nothing at all.
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09-14-2011, 08:48 AM
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I was talking about international markets. They only sale BANANA products.
09-14-2011, 09:25 AM
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After doing a little reading on Cincy vs the Charlotte area vs South Florida, I can see (somewhat) why Chiquita is looking at Charlotte and Miami. Chiquita has made it public that the airport and lack of bilingual (potential) employees are the two main issues. Obviously, Miami would fix both.
What surprised me in my research is that Charlotte has a much larger Hispanic community than Cincy. Chiquita has not specified that "bilingual" meant Spanish/English, but we can assume it does because of Chiquita's large presence in South and Central America as well as the west coast USA. Charlotte also has the busiest airport of the three cities.
That said, Miami would be #1 when it comes to bilingual employees to choose from. Charlotte would be #1 when it comes to the airport. In either case, Chiquita would take care of both issues (airport and bilingual employees) with a move of virtually any city down south. Ohio's ethinic diversity (or lack thereof) was a total shock to me!!! I had no clue that there was THAT much of a difference between Ohio and North Carolina when it comes to race. Like I said, I can see now why Chiquita is talking about a move. The airport issue can be fixed almost overnight; but the ethnic diversity is something that can't be fixed so quickly.
Cincinnati's Hispanic community continues to grow. The recent addition of a 24-hour all-Spanish radio station attests to that.
From the Enquirer this week:
The Hispanic population in Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky - an estimated half of which are Mexican or of Mexican descent - has more than doubled in the past decade to 53,400.
"It accounts for almost 25 percent of Greater Cincinnati's population growth," said Neil Comber, an organizer of the local Hispanic Heritage Month and member of the Bridges for a Just Community board.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/A...tarts-Saturday
09-14-2011, 09:26 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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Yes, Chiquita for decades has done a ton of business in Central and South America, as the owners and buyers. So why all of a sudden the desire for Hispanic employees? Are they suddenly drawn to be a good corporate neighbor? Do they think they can replace the business they have been frozen out of in Europe with local South American business? What is behind this?
I will stand by my prior statement. Once the Linders pulled out, the days of Chiquita in Cincy were numbered. Pull a Mike Brown move and get another state to open their coffers to you in the form of tax incentives, etc. That is the way business is played, with virtually no regard to the rank and file employees or any other semblance of loyalty. Just chase the almighty buck any way you can.
You can fault the state, current governor, etc. but the real problem is states getting down on their knees and begging. I fault the elected officials who seem to be incapable of anything other than giving the bank away. I know Ohio and NC are both capable of supporting a good family existence.
Charlotte is a major hub for US Airways, a successor to Allegheny Airlines or as we used to call them Agony Airlines. In their best day they were an adventure to fly. It is just a matter of time when Charlotte will experience the same result as Cincy has with CVG. Give them everything and at the first financial blip they will pull out or shut down. Until cities become smart enough to attach long term financial conditions to you succeed here or you go broke it will happen over and over. But again, for some strange reason, most airports are operated by a volunteer board, not an elected body, even thiough the public money invested is in the hundreds of millions. How does this work?
09-14-2011, 09:52 AM
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Cincinnati's Hispanic community continues to grow. The recent addition of a 24-hour all-Spanish radio station attests to that.
From the Enquirer this week:
The Hispanic population in Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky - an estimated half of which are Mexican or of Mexican descent - has more than doubled in the past decade to 53,400.
"It accounts for almost 25 percent of Greater Cincinnati's population growth," said Neil Comber, an organizer of the local Hispanic Heritage Month and member of the Bridges for a Just Community board.
Hispanic Fest starts Saturday | Cincinnati.com | cincinnati.com
I don't doubt at all that it has grown (it is growing everywhere). However, 53,400 represents the number of Hispanic folks in the entire metro area (a metro area of nearly 2.3 million people). That's a very small percentage of the population when compared to southern cities. That's all I was saying.
At the county level, Hamilton county only has about 21,000 Hispanics. The cities that Chiquita are looking at have much larger Hispanic populations (including Charlotte, which was a surprise to me).
09-14-2011, 10:17 AM
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this "bilingual" issue is really an ethnic diversity issue; and on that note, Cincy is lacking on Hispanic diversity when compared to southern cities.
And Chiquita is incapable of recruiting employees from beyond Greater Cincinnati? People do relocate to take jobs.
Which is what I meant when I said Chiquita must not be looking very hard.
09-14-2011, 10:25 AM
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This is just another prime example of a corporation using their economic weight to see what kind of concessions the state will provide all the while knowing that Kasich and his lock-step state legislature will be all too eager to provide them. They figure that if it's good enough for Diebold, it's also good enough for them. Watch and see the kind of money and concessions that will be thrown their way. All these mega-corps have to do these days is flick their wrists once and the corporate welfare lackeys will come running with open checkbooks (of course, from our account) from miles around.
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09-14-2011, 10:53 AM
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And Chiquita is incapable of recruiting employees from beyond Greater Cincinnati? People do relocate to take jobs.
Which is what I meant when I said Chiquita must not be looking very hard.
They are looking hard - for handouts. And the southeastern cities/states seemingly are more than happy to give them.
I don't buy the bilingual aspect at all. Chiquita, I'm sure, hires national and international candidates all the time. It's not like they're putting classified ads in the Enquirer looking for high-level employees. Location, that's another thing. A banana company would seem to be a better fit in Miami than Cincinnati. Charlotte, not so much.
09-14-2011, 11:02 AM
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This is just another prime example of a corporation using their economic weight to see what kind of concessions the state will provide all the while knowing that Kasich and his lock-step state legislature will be all to eager to provide them. They figure that if it's good enough for Diebold, it's also good enough for them. Watch and see the kind of money and concessions that will be thrown their way. All these mega-corps have to do these days is flick their wrists once and the corporate welfare lackeys will come running with open checkbooks (of course, from our account) from miles around.
Honestly 4 million is peanuts to a F500 company. Any state can match or beat that with more incentives. Chiquita must be in more trouble than we know.
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)