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Old 09-18-2011, 04:31 AM
 
Location: wisconsin
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live in wisconsin but am looking at a possible job in cincy and need to be in the walnut hills neighborhood. we are 2 women in our 50s and one of us is white, the other asian. i have heard walnut hills is high crime and segregated. we have lived in marginal neighborhoods before and not had problems. what streets might be best for rental houses? also, i haven't been able to get much info on walnut hills other than crime stats...what's it's character and commerce like?
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:47 AM
 
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live in wisconsin but am looking at a possible job in cincy and need to be in the walnut hills neighborhood. we are 2 women in our 50s and one of us is white, the other asian. i have heard walnut hills is high crime and segregated. we have lived in marginal neighborhoods before and not had problems. what streets might be best for rental houses? also, i haven't been able to get much info on walnut hills other than crime stats...what's it's character and commerce like?
I'm not sure I'd use the word segregated, but Walnut Hills is a largely African-American neighborhood which also happens to be one of the area's worst in terms of crime. For what it's worth, I'm not sure I'd use the word marginal to describe it. Some of us might have ideas for better options for neighborhoods if you can tell us why you say you need to be there.
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:56 AM
 
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Unless the job is a live-in nanny or house mother (there might be two such jobs in all of Walnut Hills both at the First Step House) there is no reason a person getting a job in Cincinnati would have to live in Walnut Hills. Explain why this is, OP.
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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walnut hills is one of our more segregated neighborhoods - segregated by class. sections of it are entirely poor and high-crime and other sections are middle-to-high income and very low crime. it is street by street. the middle and higher income sections have a decent racial mix.

leaving out east walnut hills, which is a partially gentrified and a generally nice neighborhood, the walnut hills streets worth looking at are everything south of E McMillan and east of Gilbert.

i lived for a year at the corner of E McMillan and Park and rather liked the neighborhood. it is basically next door to downtown and abuts one of the best parks in the country.

if you're coming from marginal type neighborhoods in Milwaukee, walnut hills will not be anything unusual.

good luck with the relocation!
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Old 09-18-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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Progmac is correct and the earlier posters are generalizing WAY TOO MUCH about Walnut Hills, and you might start hearing stories of the goings on from 30 or 40 years ago to make the case that it's a bad neighborhood. I find that to be totally unfair, personally, but...

The areas surrounding Eden Park are very quiet and safe and have excellent access to downtown, uptown, and I-71. Check out streets like Sinton, Fulton, St. James, Park, Alpine and others. People who live in that area love it. Aside from the accessibility to downtown, there's a lot of historic architecture and you're next to one the city's premier parks.

Granted, the "front door" of the neighborhood at Gilbert and McMillan (known locally as Peeble's Corner) is one of the more depressed looking areas of the neighborhood, but most of the undesirable activity stays north and to the west. And while crime can be found in those pockets, Walnut Hills does not find itself in the headlines anywhere near as often as other areas like Over-the-Rhine, Avondale, Price Hill, Fairmount, or even some of the northwestern townships.

What Walnut Hills really lacks is a friendly business district and ultra convenient shopping. (the Walnut Hills Kroger grocery has a bad rep, but many of the locals will tell you that it's not as bad as it appears. The good news is that the Hyde Park Kroger in Oakley and the Newport Kroger are a few minutes drive away). That all could change though, as Walnut Hills is a neighborhood that's often seen as having some of the best potential for revitalization in the city because of the assets I cited above.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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Since the OP raised the crime issue, I'd like to suggest as a good resource the web site spotcrime.com You can key in a specific address and a distance from that address, and receive emails detailing crime reports, police calls, etc. (although they're by block, not by exact address) for a given time period. I believe for my own area of town it gives me a lot more accurate information than "most of the undesirable activity stays..." etc. But t45209 makes a good point, there are pockets that certainly should be acceptable for anyone who can handle a marginal neighborhood.

I do think saying it lacks a "friendly" business district sounds a bit like Chamber of Commerce spin. Like, if the grocery's not as bad as it appears, where ARE all the middle-class white neighbors from those streets you listed? I certainly never see them on the street around there.
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Old 09-18-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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I do think saying it lacks a "friendly" business district sounds a bit like Chamber of Commerce spin. Like, if the grocery's not as bad as it appears, where ARE all the middle-class white neighbors from those streets you listed? I certainly never see them on the street around there.
I'm not trying to spin it at all. Peeble's Corner is not Mt Lookout Square, and you're not going to find inviting coffee shops and sidewalk dining. The way you worded your question, I am a little unsure what you are getting at, but I never said all the middle class whites shop at the WH Kroger, and that's why I put in the note about other nearby shopping. There's no doubt that the clientele of that Kroger is primarily black, and I have a black co-worker who once tipped me off to the non-PC nickname for the store. However, in the past I have fallen into the same trap as you, and assumed that whites who live in WH never go to that Kroger. Friends and acquaintances who do live there have been quick to say that they shop there. Heck, I even have friends who live in Mt Adams who stop by there on the way home from work. I don't think any of these people are doing it at 11:00 at night, but it's not unheard of during normal business hours.
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Old 09-18-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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Restoration activity has really ppicked up in the last two years in walnut hills. There is no restoration going on that the causal observer might notice.

If you are used to Urban neighborhoods and dont panic just because you see Black People ( as many on this board do) Walnut Hills has a lot to offer and like most Urban neighborhoods is improving.
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Old 09-18-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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Restoration activity has really ppicked up in the last two years in walnut hills. There is no restoration going on that the causal observer might notice.
Yes and no. I was quite surprised to see that PNC Bank was doing a total rehab of their branch at Peeble's Corner. At first I thought it was closed, but then realized that the building was getting a much needed facelift. Unfortunately, unless you are a fan of mid-century mod, there isn't much to get excited about, but it is nice to see a business like PNC investing in the area. Also, Thomson-MacConnell Cadillac is in the process of doing a major modernization and expansion of their dealership. They obviously think the neighborhood is worth investing in.

There is also the Hannaford-designed mansion on Park that is undergoing a total rehab (I won't use the word restoration, because having been in it there's not a lot left to restore after having been a nursing home for decades, and I don't think there's enough money in the world to bring back all of the period detail), but before it's all said and done, those people will have at least half a million invested in that place. It's not anywhere near done and already it's a far cry from the eyesore it was just a few years ago. In addition, several of the large homes on Sinton have either already been converted or are in the process of being converted back to single family properties. Single family, owner-occupied properties are bringing stability back to the area.

I'm a little bit worried about what might become of the Church of the Assumption on Gilbert Ave, though. The rectory came down recently rather suddenly and seemingly "under the cover of darkness." I saw some of the salvaged parts of the building for sale down at Wooden Nickel, but apparently they got what was left after someone else had their pick.

Also, the Walnut Hills redevelopment corporation has acquired about 14 buildings around Peeble's Corner. I'm nervous about what their plans might be, because I have a feeling that they are going to be practicing urban renewal with a wrecking ball, but we'll see. I think their idea to make Walnut Hills the residential enclave for casino employees has got to be one of the most laughable and ill-conceived notions I've heard in a long time.

But yes, there appears to be a lot going on in Walnut Hills, and if the broader economy would turn, I think things would move a lot faster.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:03 AM
 
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Restoration activity has really ppicked up in the last two years in walnut hills. There is no restoration going on that the causal observer might notice.

If you are used to Urban neighborhoods and dont panic just because you see Black People ( as many on this board do) Walnut Hills has a lot to offer and like most Urban neighborhoods is improving.
Personally I really like the racial and ethnic diversity of my middle-class neighborhood. The OP should be aware, though, that Cincinnati has a large population of chronically disadvantaged black people. Which before someone jumps all over me, is not to say that we don't also have disadvantaged people of other races, too.

All I'd say to the OP--and she probably doesn' need to be told this--is to avoid an area where she, her partner and their home are going to stand out as potential crime targets. It's just the same simple principle as making your house less attractive for a break-in than the next door neighbor's house is. Simple savvy.
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