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Old 10-18-2011, 03:54 AM
 
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To me that is a rather silly question. Cars are used for their intended purpose on a rather frequent schedule, daily in most cases. The majority of fatalities involving cars are due to operator error or maybe just plain negligence, akin to stupidity. We may call them accidents, but the fact is many could be avoided by using good judgement. How many observe traffic in construction zones above the posted limit? The old I don't deserve to be slowed down syndrome because I am special. But cars and other vehicles, such as trucks, serve the requirement to get us back and forth from our jobs, move all variety of goods, provide the means for recreation, purchase food and other commodities.

While there may be millions of guns in America, and if they were used, that is discharged frequently, it tends to attract attention. The fact is a car may be misused for its intended purpose, but a gun has only one purpose to begin with and that is to harm someone. Other than that it is a completely useless article.

Really? So a gun cannot be used for hunting, only to harm someone?
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Really? So a gun cannot be used for hunting, only to harm someone?
Even when used for hunting its intended purpose is to harm someone, in that case just not human.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Oxford, Ohio
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Really? So a gun cannot be used for hunting, only to harm someone?
Are you going to be hunting inside a bar?
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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There is always a trade off between security and freedom. Most people are willing to give up some security for freedom, and some freedom for security. Different people have different tolerances for a lack of safety or a lack of freedom. I would argue that 'gun control' dramatically restricts freedom while only offering marginal, if any security. Personally I would oppose gun control even if it was statistically and conclusively shown to increase public safety, just because I would rather face some risk and be free than be safe in a cage.

There are plenty of places in this country where concealed carry is virtually unrestricted, such as in Vermont and Alaska, and bloodbaths do not result.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Oxford, Ohio
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Explain to me why there were more Americans killed today by cars than by guns. Explain to me why there are millions of guns circulating in America but there are not millions of shootings.
Look, Ram, I don't want you to think I don't understand what you're trying to say. I do. I just don't think you're making a valid comparison, that's all. A gun is designed with a specific purpose in mind...to harm or kill another living being. Whether it's an animal or human is irrelevant. Some might say TNT was designed to be explosive and thus it should be banned because it is used to make dynamite, which was used to blow up bridges and buildings, etc. But even TNT has legitimate purposes, such as blowing away rock in order to create tunnels, etc. However, what other use is there for a gun if not to harm or kill other life? You're trying to say that more people have been killed by cars than by guns (although I'm not sure what the statistical truth is about that from over the past 100 years) - but cars were not designed specifically to harm or kill other life. They have been USED to do that, but how often do you really hear of a car being used to deliberately kill someone? Not accidentally. Deliberately.

In order for your comparison to work, you'd need to come up with the statistics showing exactly how many people are, or have been, killed by someone deliberately driving a car into a crowd (or running over an individual) over the years compared to how many people have been deliberately killed by someone pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger.
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Old 10-18-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Are you going to be hunting inside a bar?

No, I am going to get drunk, drive home, and kill a family in the process. But that is ok because the drunken driving deaths will be unintentional.
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Old 10-18-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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No, I am going to get drunk, drive home, and kill a family in the process. But that is ok because the drunken driving deaths will be unintentional.
People should have to choose. Cars or alcohol. If a person is allowed access to both, he will often do exactly as you predict: get drunk, drive drunk and kill people. Isn't that the argument about CC in bars? If a person is allowed to go into a bar, he will commit a crime (alcohol impairment while carrying a weapon) then kill some folks.

So, one should have to take a bus or a taxi to a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served whether they intend to drink or not since drunken driving is a predictable consequence of a person with a car having access to alcohol.
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Old 10-18-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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People should have to choose. Cars or alcohol. If a person is allowed access to both, he will often do exactly as you predict: get drunk, drive drunk and kill people. Isn't that the argument about CC in bars? If a person is allowed to go into a bar, he will commit a crime (alcohol impairment while carrying a weapon) then kill some folks.

So, one should have to take a bus or a taxi to a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served whether they intend to drink or not since drunken driving is a predictable consequence of a person with a car having access to alcohol.

I agree. Cars and bars do not mix.
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Old 10-19-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Oxford, Ohio
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No, I am going to get drunk, drive home, and kill a family in the process. But that is ok because the drunken driving deaths will be unintentional.
Okay, when you're ready to engage in a mature, reasonable discussion, send me a private note and I'll rejoin the conversation. Otherwise, I have very little patience for hyperbole and I'm tired of wasting my time going back and forth about this.
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Old 10-19-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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Are you going to be hunting inside a bar?
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Okay, when you're ready to engage in a mature, reasonable discussion, send me a private note and I'll rejoin the conversation. Otherwise, I have very little patience for hyperbole and I'm tired of wasting my time going back and forth about this.

Oh yea, you have really set the bar high for dialogue.
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