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Old 11-02-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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Why is everyone overreacting to this single Yelp entry? Five pages of response for an anonymous Internet posting from a visitor we know nothing about is "Sooooooo Cincinnati."

For crying out loud, you can literally find a negative Yelp review for any city, attraction or destination. Nothing is immune: Everything from the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum to the Pebble Beach Golf Course to the Ritz-Carlton Lake Tahoe has been trashed by some anonymous reviewer at one time or another. Why would Cincinnati be any different?

And why do some people think that things like women getting accosted is unique to Cincinnati? That happens everywhere, and it has been since the beginning of time. It's just as dangerous for a woman to walk alone to her car at Kenwood Towne Centre or Florence Mall after dark, and there have been numerous incidents at both places. When I went to school at a rural northern Ohio university, I remember campus alerts being issued all the time reminding women to walk in groups at night and avoid walking alone. If you pay attention to the local news, you'll see that Miami University, unfortunately, is the same way. It's the society we live in, and it's no different in Cincinnati than it is in any other city.

But, in another "Sooooooo Cincinnati" phenomenon, people here assume that our negatives are exclusive to Cincinnati but our positives are modest and they're found just about anywhere else anyway.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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LOL why would I mention them? I have made my point... downtown Detroit is dead after office hours. Those places you have mentioned are surrounded by surface parking lots everywhere, I mean literally everywhere. Greektown is the biggest thing going for downtown Detroit, and like I said, that isn't even anything to brag about. As far as I am concerned and from what I have seen several times downtown, MGM Grand and Greektown are two of Detroit's most popular casinos. There are reasons why Detroit leaders come to Pittsburgh and Cleveland to see how a downtown should function. Cleveland is building a casino now downtown, and that's after the fact that we have the Warehouse District, East Fourth, Gateway District, and Playhouse Square... Pittsburgh has the North Shore, Cultural District, and Market Square.

Why did "The Flats" in Cleveland fade away?
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Why did "The Flats" in Cleveland fade away?
From what I can remember, The Flats was basically just a bar/restaurant district with not much else immediately there to support it. It didn't have the critical mass to support it when the initial craze inevitably wore off. The new Indians/Cavs/Browns stadiums are a little too far away to walk to before/after games - not to mention CSU, the rock hall, science center, Hard Rock Cafe and other attractions - and I don't think the residential ever fully developed down there either.

Also, if I remember correctly, there was a string of unfortunate mishaps that took place there, including some drunk drowning deaths and some other ugly incidents that really drove people away.

And there are other much more sustainable, healthy and attractive areas in downtown Cleveland that have sprung up in the past decade or so to draw people away from The Flats, including Warehouse District, Gateway and Playhouse Square. From what I understand, there are renewed efforts to revive The Flats, but not in its previous form.

Maybe one of our Cleveland posters can provide more insight ...

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Old 11-02-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Guys... You need to stop lambasting the women for feeling they are threatened on a vacant city street at night. And the accusations of people just bashing Cincinnati are all wet. The truth is these women feel threatened in this environment whether Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, or any other larger city in the US.

When I was younger and traveled to Chicago we would walk around in the LOOP area deciding where we wanted to eat. There was such a crowd of happy people we never thought about being threatened. Today I would not be caught there on a bet.

Rather than expound upon how Cincinnati is no different than any other city, maybe someone should offer some suggestions as to how to make it more welcome to the visitor. The area around Fountain Square is a positive and hopefully The Banks will be a positive. But a couple of blocks away and it is totally different.

And continual comments about people from Mason have little bearing as the majority of us have absolutely no reason to go into the City at night. Why should we? Union Centre Boulevard in West Chester has all the action we need. Until Cincinnati decides how to reverse the decline of the atmosphere the trend will continue.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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When I was younger and traveled to Chicago we would walk around in the LOOP area deciding where we wanted to eat. There was such a crowd of happy people we never thought about being threatened. Today I would not be caught there on a bet.
How long has it been since you've been up here? There are parts of the Loop that get isolated, but its more towards the western part of the area. Though, there always are small groups of people around and an increasing number of residents too. As I work in this part of the loop I can see a large old art deco commercial tower is being converted to apartments as we speak and I know 2 other apartment towers off of Wells next to the El even in the more isolated side of the Loop. From everything I've heard up here the Loop hasn't been sketchy in about 15 years at least.

I'll also mention that periodically if there are evening work parties, or if I've got stuff to do with friends who live in the South Loop, I'll leave my stuff at my office and hop on a train down there. I'll then go back and pick up my stuff from my office, oftentimes pretty late at night. I've had no issues, not even aggressive panhandlers.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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[quote=neilworms2;21545701 From everything I've heard up here the Loop hasn't been sketchy in about 15 years at least.[/quote]

I guess that depends on your definition of sketchy, just like the women who posted here definition of threatening.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Sketchy is seeing scuzzy people all over the place (particularly large groups of them loitering), abandoned buildings, and other signs of crime in the area. The loop has none of these, unless small groups of middle class people walking around to get from a party they were just out of to another part of town via the EL counts as your definition of sketchy

I'd be a bit cautious west of state street as its not as heavily traveled as areas to the east of it (its a lot more office buildings that pack up at night as the financial district is centered on LaSalle street - though because of the nature of the industry a few of those work late with international markets and all), but if you are in a group of people its fine, heck there are even hotels there that our company deems okay to put some of our workers in overnight. Would a white collar technology company in the financial district put people in hotels in bad neighborhoods? I think not. Thus the area is NOT sketchy.

I'm also going to add that our night shift lady shows up to work every night and leaves at 12 am in my area. She hasn't had ANY issues (I can ask her as she sits by me if you need even further proof of this but I've talked to her about it and she's cautious but there aren't any problems).
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:11 PM
 
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Guys... You need to stop lambasting the women for feeling they are threatened on a vacant city street at night. And the accusations of people just bashing Cincinnati are all wet. The truth is these women feel threatened in this environment whether Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, or any other larger city in the US.

When I was younger and traveled to Chicago we would walk around in the LOOP area deciding where we wanted to eat. There was such a crowd of happy people we never thought about being threatened. Today I would not be caught there on a bet.

Rather than expound upon how Cincinnati is no different than any other city, maybe someone should offer some suggestions as to how to make it more welcome to the visitor. The area around Fountain Square is a positive and hopefully The Banks will be a positive. But a couple of blocks away and it is totally different.

And continual comments about people from Mason have little bearing as the majority of us have absolutely no reason to go into the City at night. Why should we? Union Centre Boulevard in West Chester has all the action we need. Until Cincinnati decides how to reverse the decline of the atmosphere the trend will continue.
Well, since I see more than just males downtown, I'm guessing not all females agree with your assessment, or your contentedness with the offerings of Union Centre*. Some females are even - GASP - moving into apartments and condominiums downtown! The horror!

Again, this was an anonymous Yelp posting. We've already given it far more attention than the author of the original statement ever dreamed of.

* Being the superstitious Bengals fans my friends and I are, we've actually been stuck watching the last few games at the Union Centre Buffalo Wild Wings. A friend lives in Springboro and we met at that location for the Jacksonville game - a win. It looks like we'll keep going back as long as long as it's working.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Well, since I see more than just males downtown, I'm guessing not all females agree with your assessment, or your contentedness with the offerings of Union Centre*. Some females are even - GASP - moving into apartments and condominiums downtown! The horror!
Exactly, I have a few friends living right off of Main Street in OTR who are 20 something women. You need to take precautions and be smart, but its not like no one should go there at all. Mind your own business and be prepared and you'll be fine. I would consider OTR a tad sketchy too .

Someone else mentioned 12th and Main being awful, again its a bit sketchy, but not as bad as North of Liberty street on Vine - that's the part of town I'd stay away from completely, the area around 12th and Main is getting a lot of upscale bars and thus a lot of people are out and about who are not scuzzy at all.

I think a lot of people on this board have biases that color their perceptions of city life and while Cincy (again the loop in Chicago is ridiculous to call sketchy these days you want sketchy in Chicago go west of Western along the green line or around 78th street on the South Side, those parts of town make OTR look good) for the most part has you having to keep your guard up, its just that, take the right precautions and you'll be okay, just be careful. Not only that but some people have to pioneer to make neighborhoods better before things actually get better. A dedicated group of people who care about an area will bring it up even if they have to take a few risks in the beginning. That's what's going on in Downtown and also to a greater degree in OTR as OTR was far worse to begin with.

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Old 11-04-2011, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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Why did "The Flats" in Cleveland fade away?
Do you know anything about The Flats? The Flats East Bank, Stonebridge, the new aquarium? The Flats East Bank is a mixed use development that is bringing a new 18 story office tower, a new 8 story Aloft Hotel, residencial, restaurants, and park space along the river. Stonebridge is a bunch of new midrise condos built on the westbank side of the river. The new aquarium, just like the the East Bank, is currently under construction and is going to be quite a fine downtown aquarium. That's what I thought.

The day Downtown Detroit gets half of what Downtown Cleveland has, then we can talk. Otherwise, I meet hundreds of workers each year here in Downtown Cleveland who moved here from Detroit and can actually enjoy the city after hours. In Detroit, you have to worry if your car is going to get broken into because there is nothing around but urban fields, shootings, and office buildings that sit empty all nearby. Cultural offerings like Playhouse Square, the Warehouse District, East Fourth, the Gateway District, the Financial District, and the waterfront development is extremely hard to find in Downtown Detroit, and in most of those categories, Detroit doesn't have anything like them.

If you continue to disagree with my views (which doesn't take but a short trip down Woodward to downtown to see what I am talking about... it's clear as day.) Then please, send me a direct message, because this isn't about Detroit. You turned this debate into a several posting discussion which I don't think was warranted, but I have no problem continuing this discussion in a direct message.
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