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Old 11-08-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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It is just a charter amendment, and like any other charter amendment can be voted out anytime in the future. If it actually passes it just might mean the residents of Cincinnati feel other considerations are more important.
How many times do you want to go to the polls on this issue kjbrill? How about annually? Because that's where we're headed. We already said yes to streetcars once, but here we are again. If streetcars are approved again, we'll be back at it again in a year or two.

It's the dialogue that never ends. I'm sick of hearing about it. We already said yes to this ... I don't feel like going through this divisive narrative in 2013, I really don't. So no, it can't be voted out. Because Chris Smitherman and COAST and other ignorant haters will always be there to block it.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: In a happy place
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Shall the Charter of the City of Cincinnati be amended to prohibit the City, the City Manager, the Mayor, the Council and the City's various boards, commissions, agencies and departments from spending or appropriating any monies or incurring any indebtedness or contractual obligations for the purpose of financing, designing, engineering, constructing, building or operating a streetcar system which means a system of passenger vehicles operated on rails constructed primarily in existing public right of ways through the year 2020, by enacting new Article XVI
How is this to be interpreted.
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Well, a good day brings out the nuts and losers to the polls. Too bad. I wish it had been 28 degrees and freezing rain out. But let's just see what happens.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Oxford, Ohio
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Extra time on your hands, anyone?
We had a drawn-out discussion about this earlier in the year, and it caused a lot of contention. Hate to see it being rehashed, when really all I'm reading is the same old thing from everyone. Just sayin'.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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We had a drawn-out discussion about this earlier in the year, and it caused a lot of contention. Hate to see it being rehashed, when really all I'm reading is the same old thing from everyone. Just sayin'.
Me, too, unless it gives me another chance to rant about

CODE ENFORCEMENT.

haha.
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Old 11-08-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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We had a drawn-out discussion about this earlier in the year, and it caused a lot of contention. Hate to see it being rehashed, when really all I'm reading is the same old thing from everyone. Just sayin'.
You pretty well have drawn the right conclusion. Those who have their lines drawn in the sand and are not likely to do anything other then expose their conclusion do not really care what you post in return. It is one of the fragments of our American culture, we have become intolerant of each other. The lacking of accepting honest discord with our beliefs and the willingness to discuss them will likely be our downfall in this economic cycle.
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Old 11-08-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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We had a drawn-out discussion about this earlier in the year, and it caused a lot of contention. Hate to see it being rehashed, when really all I'm reading is the same old thing from everyone. Just sayin'.
Well here's something new to chew on:

$4.50 gas prices predicted next summer

And we're going to ban rail in our city for the next decade. If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be downright hysterical.
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Old 11-08-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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Well here's something new to chew on:

$4.50 gas prices predicted next summer

And we're going to ban rail in our city for the next decade. If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be downright hysterical.
It would cost far more to move people by train in our locale, by a multiple, not just incrementally. What we don't need is an 800,000 pound train roaring up and down the tracks all day looking for stooges to take from a to b with a full compliment of union workers manning it. In Portland, where it does seem to work well, it takes twice as long to compute than by car and the subsidy is around $20 per passenger per trip or about half a tank of gas in your Honda. And, in Portland, they have more cars per person than in nearby Olympia that has no commuter trains. So explain how rail is a good thing again?
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Old 11-08-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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It's the dialogue that never ends. I'm sick of hearing about it. We already said yes to this ... I don't feel like going through this divisive narrative in 2013, I really don't. So no, it can't be voted out. Because Chris Smitherman and COAST and other ignorant haters will always be there to block it.
When you have to label those who disagree with you as ignorant, guess what that labels you. As long as there is a provision for getting signatures on petitions to put an issue on the ballot, this is the way it will be. It is called the American Way. When not enough people are interesting in objecting, the issue will be put to rest. It does not appear that has yet happened in Cincinnati.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:15 PM
 
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When you have to label those who disagree with you as ignorant, guess what that labels you. As long as there is a provision for getting signatures on petitions to put an issue on the ballot, this is the way it will be. It is called the American Way. When not enough people are interesting in objecting, the issue will be put to rest. It does not appear that has yet happened in Cincinnati.
Call me whatever you like kjbrill, I've heard it from you before. But yes, Chris Smitherman, COAST and his/their cronies are absolutely ignorant (that's the most polite term I can use on this board to describe them). And I believe should Smitherman unfortunately be elected to City Council we'll all see it up close soon enough. I was around for Smitherman's last term on Council and it was extremely divisive, combative and tense. There's nothing to suggest that this time it won't be a lot worse.
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