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Old 11-06-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Covington, KY
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No it isn't. Corporations exist for the benefit of the shareholders. The employees rightly have no more standing than any other vendor. They sell their jabor and get paid exactly what it is worth.

Article XIII of the Ohio Constitution deals with corporations and private corporations are created to permit stockholders to join together without becoming personally liable for the corporation's debts. Nothing is even close to creating any rights in employees.

A corporation is a "person" for purposes of various state laws so that it can sue and be sued, assert property rights, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with employees.

The elevation of employees as a protected class to share in the profits of entreprenureship is purely a Marxist concept. Poor employees, they get no dividends like the lazy rich shareholders do, boo hoo. Another 50 years of this and we are a failed socialist state.

How about if a person doesn't want to sell his services to a business owner, he starts his own business instead of trying to steal someone else's?

And, it all hinges on whether there are more jobs than people, or more people than jobs. If there are more jobs than people, an enlightened capitalist will offer benefits to hang onto employees. ...In which case poor kids can get jobs and cease to be poor.

 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Originally Posted by Wilson513 View Post
No it isn't. Corporations exist for the benefit of the shareholders. The employees rightly have no more standing than any other vendor. They sell their jabor and get paid exactly what it is worth.

Article XIII of the Ohio Constitution deals with corporations and private corporations are created to permit stockholders to join together without becoming personally liable for the corporation's debts. Nothing is even close to creating any rights in employees.

A corporation is a "person" for purposes of various state laws so that it can sue and be sued, assert property rights, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with employees.

The elevation of employees as a protected class to share in the profits of entreprenureship is purely a Marxist concept. Poor employees, they get no dividends like the lazy rich shareholders do, boo hoo. Another 50 years of this and we are a failed socialist state.

How about if a person doesn't want to sell his services to a business owner, he starts his own business instead of trying to steal someone else's?
It is just that attitude, that only the shareholders should benefit from the proceeds of a corporation which gave the rise to unions. The majority of shareholders have absolutely no beneficial effect on the business of a corporation, they contribute nothing other than they hold shares. They will sell those shares at a moments notice without even glancing backward at the future of the company. It is a pure financial transaction with no actual regard to the company or its future. Those people who report to work each day, are expected to perform their duties for not just their wages but the good of the company are entitled to a lot more consideration. I don't know of a single company which can survive without dedicated and consciencious employees. If they are not rewarded for their efforts the company deserves to go under.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Covington, KY
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It is just that attitude, that only the shareholders should benefit from the proceeds of a corporation which gave the rise to unions. The majority of shareholders have absolutely no beneficial effect on the business of a corporation, they contribute nothing other than they hold shares. They will sell those shares at a moments notice without even glancing backward at the future of the company. It is a pure financial transaction with no actual regard to the company or its future. Those people who report to work each day, are expected to perform their duties for not just their wages but the good of the company are entitled to a lot more consideration. I don't know of a single company which can survive without dedicated and consciencious employees. If they are not rewarded for their efforts the company deserves to go under.

A person can be dedicated to his or her job (i.e., "I do my job right"), the clientele/customers and even the co-workers without being dedicated to the company. Given a lousy supervisor, it's stupid to be dedicated to the company. And, that's a voice of experience speaking.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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It is just that attitude, that only the shareholders should benefit from the proceeds of a corporation which gave the rise to unions. The majority of shareholders have absolutely no beneficial effect on the business of a corporation, they contribute nothing other than they hold shares. They will sell those shares at a moments notice without even glancing backward at the future of the company. It is a pure financial transaction with no actual regard to the company or its future. Those people who report to work each day, are expected to perform their duties for not just their wages but the good of the company are entitled to a lot more consideration. I don't know of a single company which can survive without dedicated and consciencious employees. If they are not rewarded for their efforts the company deserves to go under.

Wrong again.

Of course well run companies value their employees, make sure they prosper and get job satisfaction. Just like they do with their customers and other vendors. But the Marxist notion that it is the government's responsibility to insure a piece of the pie for every employee is pure Marxist crappola.

Employees have a much more flexible career path if they are smart enough to see it. They control every aspect of what they have to sell from their eduction, experience, attitude and working hour commitment. The greedy and stupid want the government to get for them the advantages that others earn.

My, buddy has a typical successful career path: night school to a BBA in Accounting, night school to an MBA in finance, while in school three years as a credit analyst at Fifth Third Bank, five years as a loan officer at 5/3, four years as an associate at small venture capital firm, senior analyst at affiliate of Goldman Sachs, never an owner or a partner, now making over $1 million salary. Every step in his complete control. Did 5/3 want him to stay on? Sure. Guess what. He never made more than a school teacher at 5/3.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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A person can be dedicated to his or her job (i.e., "I do my job right"), the clientele/customers and even the co-workers without being dedicated to the company. Given a lousy supervisor, it's stupid to be dedicated to the company. And, that's a voice of experience speaking.
If you have a lousy supervisor, particularly one who is only out for their own selfish interests, then quit and go elsewhere. I have seen such individuals, but management which is worth a damn will fetter them out over time. But management is in the same class, if only rewarded for maximum profits and minimum costs things will go sour. This is why I have little faith in most corporations these days. The management is not interested in the good of the company, just the good of themselves. They are not owners with a vested interest in protecting their name, their reputation, and their employees. It is for this reason I believe the right to act like an individual should be stripped from the majority of our corporations.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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If you have a lousy supervisor, particularly one who is only out for their own selfish interests, then quit and go elsewhere. I have seen such individuals, but management which is worth a damn will fetter them out over time. But management is in the same class, if only rewarded for maximum profits and minimum costs things will go sour. This is why I have little faith in most corporations these days. The management is not interested in the good of the company, just the good of themselves. They are not owners with a vested interest in protecting their name, their reputation, and their employees. It is for this reason I believe the right to act like an individual should be stripped from the majority of our corporations.
Well said, kjbrill; I need to look no further than my own employer to see the perfect example of what you speak...
 
Old 11-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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And only 20% of the cincinnati region's children live in Cincinnati. So this number is less significant than it may appear.
 
Old 11-11-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis and Cincinnati
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What pases for "poverty' in the United States would be welcome just about anywhere else. "Poverty" today is not the Poverty of the 1930 depression. According to the 2002 census data (it has gotten better since then):

People in Poverty Resources: (what they have)

99.2% refridgerators, 98.3 % stove, Color TV 98.2%, PC 59.3%, Stereo 72.5%, Automobile 82.5%, Dishwasher 58.1%, Microwave 93.2%, Washing machine,80.00%

AND, many people living in "poverty" as defined by the feds OWN their house!

I am looking for the most recent census data numbers for 2010 that are higher than the 2002 numbers.

When you add in Housing Assistance, heat assistance, free cellphone programs, Free breakfast and school lunch programs. Medicaid, and lets not forget the foodstamp program..what passes for "poverty' in the United States is the equivalent of someone with a working class income of 50K who is paying taxes and their own bills.

While there are people out there who are needy. A lot of people have ZERO incentive to improve their conditions because we GIVE them everything. IF people receiving assistance had to contribute just 8 hours a week in some form of community service (working in a senior home, library, cleaning a park), ANYTHING that required them to do something in exchange for their Freebies. I would venture to say we would cut 50 percent of our massive entitlement programs in less than 30 days.

Being a socialist country is OK for those who aren't paying any taxes. But for those of us who are supporting this 'entitlement society". We are tired of paying for it.
 
Old 11-11-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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What pases for "poverty' in the United States would be welcome just about anywhere else. "...

Being a socialist country is OK for those who aren't paying any taxes. But for those of us who are supporting this 'entitlement society". We are tired of paying for it.
More ignorant Hate speech directed to 46 million people now in poverty. A moment's thought might make you realize not all those people are taking freebies while they sit around happily watching tv and partying. This is a vicious, hateful meme.

As has been well documented, there are many "working Poor". People who work 80 hours a week to earn $5 dollars an hour. Wake up.

If you are so convinced that it is so easy to live on 20,000 per year for a family of four, I would like to see you try it for two months. I'll bet you couldn't do it. I am somewhat ashamed to admit that I sometimes spend that amount in a month. But at least I don't hate everyone who is less fortunate.
 
Old 11-11-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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More ignorant Hate speech directed to 46 million people now in poverty. A moment's thought might make you realize not all those people are taking freebies while they sit around happily watching tv and partying. This is a vicious, hateful meme.

As has been well documented, there are many "working Poor". People who work 80 hours a week to earn $5 dollars an hour. Wake up.

If you are so convinced that it is so easy to live on 20,000 per year for a family of four, I would like to see you try it for two months. I'll bet you couldn't do it. I am somewhat ashamed to admit that I sometimes spend that amount in a month. But at least I don't hate everyone who is less fortunate.
Hardly "hate speech" not even tough love. Just the sad facts of living in a society where the family and friends of criminals, the addicted, the lazy and slothful, happily vote themselves benefits out of the pockets of others. Meanwhile, the man child President they have elected wants to destroy true charity by eliminating the tax deduction for private charities such as churches, hospitals, and veterans organizations.
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