Cincinnati is becoming second fiddle to Columbus (Cleveland, Toledo: crime, costs)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by rrtechno

All the arguing about what is or isn't, what should or shouldn't be, what the night time satellite pictures show or don't show mean nothing according to what the official definition and criteria determine. The latest Combined Statistical Area breakdowns that I found are here.

http://www.policom.com/PDF%20COMBINED/OHCOM.pdf

In other areas of the state and country, Cin-Day are recognized as being "one" regardless of what the official definition is. Talk here was that "If they were combined, they could be marketed together to businesses." Why can't that be done anyhow. If you put Dayton with Cincinnati, what will that do to the rest of the Dayton-Springfield-Greenville Area. How much of that would be added to Columbus area and what will the overall result be?

To me it seems like a pretty insignificant thing to get all worked up about. There are more things that need attention.

I agree. I think people are making far too much about the size of the metro instead of business policy in general. There's no reason that Dayton and Cincinnati can't work together now to attract businesses to SW Ohio.

I don't think that the Springfield area will ever be a part of Columbus, but if so, it will also have to meet the same criteria.

[chet_kinkaid]

im sure the leaders of cincinnati dont want dayton added to any definition of their area..it would lower the growth rate to almost 0 and why would cincinnati want to promote businesses relocating to areas 50-70 miles away..whats in it for the city of cincinnati..cincinnati is already in competition with northern kentucky for scarce jobs.it would be horrible publicity for cincinnati to have a csa with 0 to negative growth.cincinnati doesnt need dayton..its a great city ..with alot of potential if they play their cards right

[CinciFan]

I completely agree with you chet. As much as I would love to see our CSA be 3.2 million people, adding Dayton is not the way to do it. Cincy is finally improving itself. Adding Dayton would give people the impression that the Cincinnati area is still in decline.

[unusualfire]

Dayton would not bring Cincinnati down that much. The region will still be a net gain. Cincinnati Dayton would not be marketing itself just to the US but to the whole world.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I don't really get this argument either. Cincinnati is already the largest metro in Ohio, so shouldn't it already be attracting more business than the others if this were true? Cleveland and Columbus seem to be attracting business just fine, and Columbus still leads, by far, in actual growth...

Not true, jbcmh81--in fact, almost the opposite...

Just recall, these were the OHIO 2011 JOB GROWTH STATISTICS BY METROPOLITAN AREA: (CES = Current Employment Statistics)

1-YR/CES JOBS ADDED:

Cincinnati 16,100
Columbus 800
Cleveland -2,100



1-YR/CES JOBS % CHANGE:

Cincinnati 1.65%
Columbus 0.09%
Cleveland -0.21%

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by motorman

Not true, jbcmh81--in fact, almost the opposite...

Just recall, these were the OHIO 2011 JOB GROWTH STATISTICS BY METROPOLITAN AREA: (CES = Current Employment Statistics)

1-YR/CES JOBS ADDED:

Cincinnati 16,100
Columbus 800
Cleveland -2,100



1-YR/CES JOBS % CHANGE:

Cincinnati 1.65%
Columbus 0.09%
Cleveland -0.21%

Interesting data. To help see the total picture, could you post the same information for Dayton, Akron, Canton, Springfield, and Toledo?

[TomJones123]

For those who think Dayton is stagnant they are right, but Dayton proper. The Dayton region is strong and there is a big difference. The difference is as stark as being in the heart of East Dayton at say Third and Findlay vs. being anywhere in Centerville, Springboro, etc. Just to have a meaningless goofy analogy.

[neilworms2]

^-Dayton Proper is only doing moderately well. Since I grew up in Springboro, I remember when NCR was going through problems and a ton of people moved away. As Businesses leave the Dayton area it makes even the burbs stagnant. Any growth happening in the burbs IMO is at the expense of somewhere else with older housing.

The only thing keeping the Dayton area afloat now is Wright-Patt, a handful of tech companies (Teradata, Lexis-Nexus) and the gov't contractors associated with it.

Though when you consider that from everything I read Dayton was a tech region on par with Boston's route 128 in the 1960s / early 1970s and if it had continued to be forward thinking with its leadership in that field could be competing with the likes or Raleigh-Duram, a tier below Silicoln Valley and Seattle, maybe even on par with them - I would consider it to be a stagnant region at best - a merger with Cincy would be way more beneficial to Dayton than Cincinnati but it would help both on a National scale.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Not true, jbcmh81--in fact, almost the opposite...

Just recall, these were the OHIO 2011 JOB GROWTH STATISTICS BY METROPOLITAN AREA: (CES = Current Employment Statistics)

1-YR/CES JOBS ADDED:

Cincinnati 16,100
Columbus 800
Cleveland -2,100



1-YR/CES JOBS % CHANGE:

Cincinnati 1.65%
Columbus 0.09%
Cleveland -0.21%

First, I was talking about population growth. And the actual GMP (gross metropolitan product) is growing faster too. I'm also not sure those numbers are accurate. I've seen others that showed something completely different. What is your source?

[TomJones123]

@neilworms2

Well, there is a lot more in the Dayton region that meets the eye.

Dayton Region has:

5 Hospitals in the top 5% as reported by Health Grades Inc.

Wright Patt - You mentioned, and they employ approx. 26,000 military and civilian personnel - and spin off companies add an estimated 1,000 new employees each year

Kettering Health Network and Premier Health Partners employ approx. 50,000 people in Dayton Region.

2 world class shopping malls and one world class lifestyle center

2 large universities with around 68,000 enrollment between the two

On the other hand the city of Dayton is a different story at the moment.

Source: Saving America's Cities by David McDonald