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Old 03-07-2012, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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There's about 9 million people in the city proper, and about 22-23 million in the metro. So yeah, it's large. Crime in DF is actually not that bad. The murder rate is about half that of Columbus. There are bad parts of the country, but DF is fairly safe. Just have to use common sense like any other place.
I always thought of MC as crime being really bad, dangerous, Man on Fire type place. Of course I am totally ignorant of the real Mexico City. I appreciate the insight.

 
Old 03-07-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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There are some MEGA projects that needs to be funded. The chance of getting the funding is better with the 2 combined than without each other. The Brent Spence and commuter rail comes to mind. Also a new power plant or 2 when electric cars or much more prevalent. The bigger you are the better your chances of them being built goes way way up.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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The last time I was down 75 through Cincy was in November 2010. I assume not that much has changed since then.

There's about 9 million people in the city proper, and about 22-23 million in the metro. So yeah, it's large. Crime in DF is actually not that bad. The murder rate is about half that of Columbus. There are bad parts of the country, but DF is fairly safe. Just have to use common sense like any other place.
Well, since then, the construction on 75 through the Franklin/Middletown area has been completed, opening up the 8-lane interstate linking Cincy and Dayton. Also, Austin Pike has started to open with new office and retail development (a massive new development that, frankly, I'm not wild about), and the area around Cincinnati Premium Outlets has been further developed.

So actually, quite a bit has changed in the last 16 months or so.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Yep, change is rapid along that stretch of interstate.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Link: deptofnumbers.com/employment/metros/

(December, 2011 was an especially embarrassing month for metro Columbus, wasn't it? But the statistics are what they are & the reality is what it is, isn't it?) Now just let it go, jbcmh81; the show's over. ()
Let what go, exactly? I could give a very good reason for these numbers:

Peak unemployment rate during recession:

Columbus: 9.6% January 2010
Cincinnati: 10.8% January 2010
Cleveland: 9.8% February 2010

Total unemployment rate change from recession peak to December 2011:

Columbus: -3.2%
Cincinnati: -3.1%
Cleveland: -2.8%

Total peak unemployment during recession:

Columbus: 91,441 January 2010
Cincinnati: 119,310 January 2010
Cleveland: 104,901 June 2009

Total change in unemployment from recession peak to December 2011 and % change:

Columbus: -30,508 or -33.4%
Cincinnati: -34,956 or -29.3%
Cleveland: -30,247 or -28.8%

Unemployment growth from recession beginning (December 2007) to recession peak:

Columbus: +45,810 or +100.4%
Cincinnati: +63,969 or +115.6%
Cleveland: +37,389 or +55.4%

2011 Annual average unemployment rate:

Columbus: 7.6%
Cincinnati: 8.8%
Cleveland: 7.7%

Total unemployment rate change January 2011 to December 2011:

Columbus: -2.1%
Cincinnati: -2.3%
Cleveland: -1.6%

So looking at these numbers, other than a bit better overall 2011 rate change (which isn't that impressive when you consider Cincinnati started at 10% and dropped to 7.7% while Columbus started at 8.5% and dropped to 6.4%), it seems pretty clear that Cincinnati performed worse during the recession and recovery than Columbus. Cincinnati lost more jobs than the other 2 Cs, had the highest unemployment rate peak of the 3, and is only having the 2nd fastest overall recovery of the 3, behind Columbus. Cincinnati lost almost 18,000 more jobs during the recession than Columbus and there were nearly 28,000 more people out of work during the peak in Cincinnati than in Columbus. The fact that Columbus gained any jobs at all in this situation is a net positive. After all, if you lose 6 jobs and gain 3, that's a gain of 50% back, but if you loose 10 and gain 4, you gained more jobs, but are still running a larger deficit.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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^ And another instance where jbcmh81 completely discounts someone else's posted numbers because they show Cincinnati outperforming Columbus, then he proceeds to copy and paste an entire phone book that makes Columbus look good.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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^ And another instance where jbcmh81 completely discounts someone else's posted numbers because they show Cincinnati outperforming Columbus, then he proceeds to copy and paste an entire phone book that makes Columbus look good.
Not ignoring the numbers at all, but as someone who shall not be named repeatedly pointed out to me, one set of numbers doesn't tell the whole story. Cincinnati did have decent job growth in 2011, more than Columbus, but that is not the whole story, either. When looking at a more expansive jobs picture that shows how metros performed during the recession and recovery, the picture is not as rosy for Cincinnati. So while Cincinnati did have a good year, it's still relative to its overall performance in the same way that Columbus' mediocre year is relative to its own.
 
Old 03-07-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Not ignoring the numbers at all, but as someone who shall not be named repeatedly pointed out to me, one set of numbers doesn't tell the whole story. Cincinnati did have decent job growth in 2011, more than Columbus, but that is not the whole story, either...
No, jbcmh81, I'm afraid that wasn't the whole story for 2011. Perhaps Julie Janson, president of Duke Energy in Ohio and Kentucky, summed it up best in her address to the Cincinnati USA Regional Chamber on Feb. 16, 2012 when she said:

"We are Greater Cincinnati, a place where jobs are being created. In 2011, we had higher percentage job growth than the U.S. overall and Ohio overall. And more growth than Columbus and Cleveland combined..." (quoted from The Enquirer, March 4, 2012)
 
Old 03-07-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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I always thought of MC as crime being really bad, dangerous, Man on Fire type place. Of course I am totally ignorant of the real Mexico City. I appreciate the insight.
I really badly want to visit Mexico City; I'm hoping to play tourist there sometime in the next year or two if I can afford it!
 
Old 03-07-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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No, jbcmh81, I'm afraid that wasn't the whole story for 2011. Perhaps Julie Janson, president of Duke Energy in Ohio and Kentucky, summed it up best in her address to the Cincinnati USA Regional Chamber on Feb. 16, 2012 when she said:

"We are Greater Cincinnati, a place where jobs are being created. In 2011, we had higher percentage job growth than the U.S. overall and Ohio overall. And more growth than Columbus and Cleveland combined..." (quoted from The Enquirer, March 4, 2012)
Now surely you don't think our Mexico City amigo is going to let this quote go unchallenged, do you?

He won't like it at all.
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