Cincinnati Versus Suburbs - Makes No Sense (Kettering, Lebanon: house, buying)
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Well, no matter what I say to you it's likely you will be convinced that CPS is the pits.
By the way, how are the budget cuts to Mason's schools coming along? Impact and such.
Well, if you want to take that attitude, that is the way it is. But the simple fact is, CPS is held in low regard by the majority of those in the Metro Area, both inside and outside of the city. So if CPS is making great strides they haven't convinced anyone yet. Yes Mason, Lakota, Sycamore and all of the better suburban districts are having to make significant cuts. These are tough times. But they will survive when the brass tacks come down. The 10% reduction in CPS teacher staff, how well is that sitting in a district already with low esteem?
You do not have to convince me, I am first of all not in a position to influence the attritude toward the CPS. A whole lot of people beyond me are the ones you need to sway. From what I can determine, this has not yet happened. So lets take the subject out of the Cincinnati/Suburb discussion, unless you have some specifics as to how the suburbs affect the CPS situation or vice versa. If you do, bring it on.
Shut up already about the schools. The real reason why so many suburbanites are afraid of Cincinnati Public Schools is because they're worried their kid isn't smart enough to get into Walnut Hills.
I am baffled, reading through these posts, that nobody recognizes that the suburbs exist *because* of the Interstate Highway System. Prior to the highways, people did not live in distant suburbs because they couldn't commute from, say, Mason to Downtown Cincinnati in a timely manner.
The problems with the Interstate Highway System are endless, but let me focus on this one detail for a moment: a city that drives is a city that loses a significant amount of its wealth to far-flung locales. It's no wonder, when comparing Cincinnati to New York or another city with a robust public transportation network, that they have an enormous advantage for the mere fact that a higher percentage of the wages (and welfare and SS benefits and pensions and investment income) of their citizens STAY in that region.
Shut up already about the schools. The real reason why so many suburbanites are afraid of Cincinnati Public Schools is because they're worried their kid isn't smart enough to get into Walnut Hills. ..
I hate when somebody tells me to shut up already, especially in a forum that's DESIGNED for discussion.
So I'm going to comment, over your objection, that you truncated that sentence. What you mean is "suburbanites are afraid of CPS because they're worried their kid isn't smart enogh to get into Walnut Hills AND WILL END UP ATTENDING AIKEN OR WITHROW."
Do you have children in the CPS system? Serious question--I'll be looking for your answer. Because it sounds to me like that's exactly what could happen to them. And you want to tell me that's the best choice for YOUR kids? haha.
But the simple fact is, CPS is held in low regard by the majority of those in the Metro Area, both inside and outside of the city.
I hardly think you qualify to know what a majority of people think in a 2.2 million metro, much less inside city limits. That's laughable. You, like others are so enamored in your own opinion that you won't even consider that things may have changed contrary to what you think you know.
And I am a parent with a kid enrolled in CPS who is networked in with other parents with their kids enrolled in CPS. Why don't you come on over and re-educate us on our day to day experiences with CPS, which for the most part is good. Oh, and don't forget to try and make us unhappy with the quality of education our kids are receiving day to day. Maybe tell us how crappy things really are. How obtuse.
And I don't need to sway anyone, nor do I care about the opinion people have. Did I touch a nerve about your suburban school districts being troubled? Interesting.
And mecklenborg - I won't dignify your rudeness with a response.
Last edited by TomJones123; 04-27-2012 at 07:28 AM..
Dear me.... There has been no conclusion achieved here yet.
All right. There is an American tradition that there is someplace people can go for a great future, to get away from troubled regions they have no power to change, to be among better sorts of folks and other wonderful things. You've no doubt heard it in a quotation: Go west, young man, go west.
There is no longer a frontier, and people look around and realize that there is no place to go, but the impetus remains and they have been bound and determined to create a place to go. It's called suburbia. You know, there are no stately trees or sometimes even drinking water, but by gum there will be, just you wait. It will be a new and better city than that over-taxed crime-ridden dump that was left.
Now, if you can't get out of that over-taxed crime-ridden dump, I do feel so sorry for you. Have you tried looking for a better job?
The Interstate Highway System was intended for just what the name states, travel between the states. It was not called the Suburban Highway System. The fact that some commute distances were made more practical was a by-product, not an intent. Another fact is that more people who live in the suburbs work in the suburbs than commute to the City. The Interstates did enhance the ability of businesses to locate in the suburbs, still have convenient access to their customers, and their employees convenient access to them. This was also a by-product not an intent. If you believe it was an intent, then you believe in government conspiracy. I cannot believe in a conspiracy theory which spreads things out, diluting the ability to control.
One thing which is obvious is the transportation of goods via Interstate is becoming too expensive. Everything we consume is increasing in cost due to transportation. Trucking companies have no recourse other than to raise rates due to fuel costs. It is either raise rates or go broke. Similar to the airlines stuck with the same problem. A single individual may still be able to fly cheaper than they can drive. But two or more people, driving the car will cost less.
As I stated earlier in this thread, we need to get the freight back on the rail. Passenger rail is maybe becoming more practical, but I have yet to see where the majority of people are behind it.
In the early days of the Interstates, I used to look at those wide medians and think how ideal they were for a set of rails for passenger trains. Today, not so much since the medians have been dug up and filled in with more lanes, especially within the cities or between cities such as Cin-Day.
So I see monumental costs associated with the acquisition of land and just about everything else associated with reviving a passenger rail system. A substantial portion of the requirements to support freight rail transport already exists. Those who believe rail is our salvation need to get behind initiatives to support this. First of all, it is more readabily achievable. Second of all it affects all of us in the cost of goods we purchase. It is obviously a big negative to those employed in the trucking industry. Since they collectively have a big political clout, don't expect anything significant to happen without a big fight.
I am just saying, you can follow your pet desire, or you can look at something which affects everyone in this country. In my opinion, the cost to transport goods is currently something which affects everyone. So we should be able to put aside our differences and get behind an initiative which will affect us all. Do I have much confidence this will happen - NO!
i think that the only failure of the interstate highway system was not more closely regulating the addition of exit and entrance ramps. to echo KJBrill, regardless of social implications, the interstate system was originally meant to facilitate travel and commerce, not daily commuting -- and the huge traffic jams on the interstates of every major city substantially thwart commerce and show a failure in planning the original system. so now we're just clueless and hobbling along with what we've got. i mean, we have traffic engineers inadvertently deciding development patterns, which results in the development clusterF** that can be found in every metro in america.
look at germany, they have amazing highways but no spraw. we gave every two-horse town an onramp. this changed everything.
No you did not trouble me by the fact suburban school districts are going though tough economic times. To me it is a natural result of the economic mess of the entire country.
You keep saying it is my opinion. How laughable. It is not my opinion, but an opinion based on all the information I collect concerning the region. If you think I am totally wrong, then you are not paying attention to what is being said by people all across the region.
I stated previously, if the popular perception is wrong, then CPS is doing a poor job of getting the word out. I went to the CPS website hoping to see some specific citations relative to the performance of the schools. I did not find anything of the sort. What I found was a lot of mealy-mouthed verbage apparently put together by a copy agency intending to impress people. But very little in the way of specific facts relative to the performance of the district. Some glitz and glamour, but little substance.
Again, if the popular opinion of CPS is wrong, then why is the district not doing more to correct it?
Last edited by kjbrill; 04-27-2012 at 08:46 AM..
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