The Roman Catholic Church In Cincinnati (Columbus, Cleveland: credit, high schools, military)
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As the discussion continues I'd like to remind everybody to stay respectful and on topic. If you only want to joke, there are other places online you can do that without derailing threads and/or getting in trouble.
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I feel most of the correspondents have treated this as simply a discussion of a subject integral to the history of Cincinnati. A few have taken objection since it involves religion. But the material impact on Cincinnati goes far beyond the religious. Let's hope it can continue on an even keel, though I believe it may already be worked out.
I feel most of the correspondents have treated this as simply a discussion of a subject integral to the history of Cincinnati. A few have taken objection since it involves religion. But the material impact on Cincinnati goes far beyond the religious. Let's hope it can continue on an even keel, though I believe it may already be worked out.
Possibly. On the other hand, someone who as not looked at it might come along.
I suspect there are people who never thought too much about such matters. I spent my early years (about twenty) in neighborhoods that were rather low on Catholic population -- just one family or so per city block -- and the next twenty or so years in a nest of Catholicism that would rival Cincinnati (complete with Archbishop's relative). They were very different from each other.
Recently it was rather underground in various communist countries as well as in more ancient times such as in the Roman empire. It's probably underground in some places today and at least downplayed in some parts of these United States.
How such a turn of events would play out in a city like Cincinnati would probably amount to a social and financial revolution. It's certainly a state of affairs that's not for the fainted-hearted (i.e., hell Catholics).
I didn't say it was, although I wouldn't be surprised.
I said John Cornwell was of the opinion of a possibility. Cornwell is British.
I said something about two neighborhoods. Religion was not a part of everyday conversation in the one with few Catholics, while it could be in the "nest" of them as it was Catholics talking with Catholics. That kind of thing is probably true where any denomination is concentrated.
And, lastly in the statement you quoted, I said "some places" in conjunction with other countries:
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Recently it was rather underground in various communist countries as well as in more ancient times such as in the Roman empire. It's probably underground in some places today and at least downplayed in some parts of these United States.
I didn't say it was, although I wouldn't be surprised.
I said John Cornwell was of the opinion of a possibility. Cornwell is British.
I said something about two neighborhoods. Religion was not a part of everyday conversation in the one with few Catholics, while it could be in the "nest" of them as it was Catholics talking with Catholics. That kind of thing is probably true where any denomination is concentrated.
And, lastly in the statement you quoted, I said "some places" in conjunction with other countries:
But the topic of this thead, which you started, is The Roman Catholic Church in Cincinnati. I see a church which is about as visible as it can be, certainly not anywhere close to being underground. The Catholic schools have a significant presence in the area, without them the public system would be overloaded. I see Catholic churches everywhere, the only places they are closed are where the demographics have shifted. So I just don't understand the comments tending to sabotage your own thread.
But the topic of this thead, which you started, is The Roman Catholic Church in Cincinnati. I see a church which is about as visible as it can be, certainly not anywhere close to being underground. The Catholic schools have a significant presence in the area, without them the public system would be overloaded. I see Catholic churches everywhere, the only places they are closed are where the demographics have shifted. So I just don't understand the comments tending to sabotage your own thread.
The mere fact that nuns run around in street clothes says the church is not as visible as it can be.
The only time I saw religious garb in several years in downtown Cincinnati was about when the church was headed to court. I saw one family of about five (two or three children -- not sure of how many) running around downtown in Little Flower T-shirts, three or four nuns in "uniform" flowing around outside of the library, and one Franciscan (?) in full regalia in the place, plus the then archbishop and vicar general in toned down black a couple of times on the street.
The mere fact that nuns run around in street clothes says the church is not as visible as it can be.
The only time I saw religious garb in several years in downtown Cincinnati was about when the church was headed to court. I saw one family of about five (two or three children -- not sure of how many) running around downtown in Little Flower T-shirts, three or four nuns in "uniform" flowing around outside of the library, and one Franciscan (?) in full regalia in the place, plus the then archbishop and vicar general in toned down black a couple of times on the street.
Maybe you need to go downtown more often.
NO I don't believe that. What I do believe is that you appreciate ANY church, CATHOLIC or otherwise is only going to exhibit a proportional influence to their percentage in the City's population. While Catholics are still significant, they are nowhere near the dominant influence they were in Cincinnati's early history. I have no problem with that, as they still wield a considerable influence in the area.
So how do you feel about the lawyer appointed to defend the self-expressed authors of the 9/11/2001 disaster? I see their public defender expressing every female in the courtroom at Guantanamo Bay be required to dress according to Muslim custom. Far as I am concerned this is a US conducted court. Far as I know, there is no requirement in a US court for anyone to dress according to Muslim custom, I believe this is part of our separation of church and state. I do believe every religion needs to be treated with respect. But when we go this far to guarantee a fair trail for those who killed thousands of our fellow citizens I have to object. I cannot believe it has taken all these years to bring these people to justice.
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But the topic of this thead, which you started, is The Roman Catholic Church in Cincinnati. I see a church which is about as visible as it can be, certainly not anywhere close to being underground.
Agreed. It's probably the most visible denomination in town, on sheer numbers alone.
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Originally Posted by CarpathianPeasant
The mere fact that nuns run around in street clothes says the church is not as visible as it can be.
NO I don't believe that. What I do believe is that you appreciate ANY church, CATHOLIC or otherwise is only going to exhibit a proportional influence to their percentage in the City's population. While Catholics are still significant, they are nowhere near the dominant influence they were in Cincinnati's early history. I have no problem with that, as they still wield a considerable influence in the area.
You don't believe that I saw what I have said I saw or that maybe you need to go downtown more often?
In regard to the former, if you want an affidavit, send around a notary and I'll sign one.
The assorted church buildings are pretty much still around. The St. Patrick's Day parade I don't think has been yet been completely abandoned. And, I supposed if Fr. So-and-so told John Boehner he couldn't hold position "X" it would make news. To that extent the church is visible and influential.
You don't believe that I saw what I have said I saw or that maybe you need to go downtown more often?
In regard to the former, if you want an affidavit, send around a notary and I'll sign one.
The assorted church buildings are pretty much still around. The St. Patrick's Day parade I don't think has been yet been completely abandoned. And, I supposed if Fr. So-and-so told John Boehner he couldn't hold position "X" it would make news. To that extent the church is visible and influential.
I think you need to determine what you are complaining about. If it is the nuns no longer go about town in their habits, I think you need to get up to date. The church had a problem with a lack of vocations. Something had to be done to encourage young people to join in the clergy.
Making them outcasts in the general society did not seem the way to go. The visible manifestations are far less important than what is being taught to the youth. Anyone who feels a purely dogmatic approach is effective in today's society is going to lose. People want to hear reasons, and then they want to make up their own mind.
That is something the Church in general does not want to hear. They want a purely dogmatic approach. Everyone should believe the gospels, which have a problem being verified to who and when they were written, are the true word of God. This is also true of all of the splinter Christian churches. And yes, I will use the word splinter. The Christian religion has how many splinter groups? If you do not like the word splinter, then what would you suggest?
But at least we do not go about killing each other as the Muslim splinter groups seem capable of.
The majority of the major wars in our history have been fought over religion in one way or another. The remanents of the Crusades are still haunting us today, due to the atrocities they committed.
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