Considering Moving to East Walnut Hills (Cincinnati, Dayton: fit in, sales, violent crime)
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These numbers certainly make more sense from a logic standpoint. They are more in line with my recollection of the size of Pleasant Ridge. I also have to keep reminding myself that Kennedy Heights is in there between Pleasant Ridge and Silverton. For some reason I keep wanting to lump Kennedy Heights into Pleasant Ridge.
These numbers certainly make more sense from a logic standpoint. They are more in line with my recollection of the size of Pleasant Ridge. I also have to keep reminding myself that Kennedy Heights is in there between Pleasant Ridge and Silverton. For some reason I keep wanting to lump Kennedy Heights into Pleasant Ridge.
I wish they were one neighborhood. We have this rebranding of Pleasant Ridge + Kennedy Heights to "District A," but I don't know anyone who views it that way. The neighborhoods are very similar and have a nearly identical housing stock. Demographically, they are very similar, one is 60/40 white/black and the other 60/40 black/white. I actually feel like much of Kennedy Heights gets overlooked by house and apartment hunters who tell themselves they want to live in Pleasant Ridge or vice-versa. The boundary is unneeded.
I wish they were one neighborhood. We have this rebranding of Pleasant Ridge + Kennedy Heights to "District A," but I don't know anyone who views it that way. The neighborhoods are very similar and have a nearly identical housing stock. Demographically, they are very similar, one is 60/40 white/black and the other 60/40 black/white. I actually feel like much of Kennedy Heights gets overlooked by house and apartment hunters who tell themselves they want to live in Pleasant Ridge or vice-versa. The boundary is unneeded.
Agreed. The boundary line that divides these two similar neighborhoods (Orchard Ln/Robinson Rd) seems so arbitrary and dated. Both communities contain homes, from the modest to the grandiose, that would appeal to a large range of buyers, and Montgomery Rd. remains the historic and vital link between them.
I wish they were one neighborhood. We have this rebranding of Pleasant Ridge + Kennedy Heights to "District A," but I don't know anyone who views it that way. The neighborhoods are very similar and have a nearly identical housing stock. Demographically, they are very similar, one is 60/40 white/black and the other 60/40 black/white. I actually feel like much of Kennedy Heights gets overlooked by house and apartment hunters who tell themselves they want to live in Pleasant Ridge or vice-versa. The boundary is unneeded.
I certainly agree. I think Kennedy Heights runs under the radar because of the relatively short distance it has along Montgomery Rd and far fewer businesses. I also agree with how similar the neighborhoods are and they could rather seamlessly be combined into one.
I remember well over 60 years ago going to the pool near the Kennedy Heights school and taking swimming lessons. Don't know whether the pool or the school still exist, but I doubt it.
I drive through EWH twice a day, every day and have done so for about 3 years. I drive past Moorman every day.
Ok, so you drive down Madison a couple times a day.
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But from my daily experience of it, I think its slipped in the last 3 years.
And this experience is simply driving through on Madison? How can you get a feel for what is happening on all the various and sundry side streets?
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Several people have been murdered just off the main drag (Madison) in the last year. Lots, lots of people hanging around with nothing apparent for them to do. Obvious drug houses that rise and fall.
Do you have news links or maps for the murders? I haven't been able to find anything on google. Are these murders in Walnut Hills or Evanston and just close to EWH? Please provide links for verification.
I can provide you a little something in the meantime:
There have only been two murders in all of district two for 2012. That would be a couple and not SEVERAL for the entire district, of which EWH is only a small part. I highly doubt both, or even one of them occurred in East Walnut Hills. But hey, I am willing to be corrected.
Are you telling me there are just idle people hanging around in the EWH business district on Madison and Woodburn? Where exactly are these drug houses, and how have you observed drug activity by driving through?
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But, drug addicts need to rob things to pay for their drugs, so your car could be broken into, stolen, your house robbed, etc.
You mentioned Hyde Park. Have you seen all the burglaries there? I would assume these are committed by drug addicts that need to rob things to pay for their drugs.
That multi unit also looks like a nice house, but the idea of being a live in rental owner in that neighborhood sounds like a nightmare to me.
Again, you are making East Walnut Hills out to be some sort of ghetto. It's not necessary to exaggerate an area's problems. I think you did a nice job showing the robberies earlier, though I would argue they were isolated incidents and not the norm based on looking up crime stats. You mentioned earlier how much worse EWH was than neighborhoods farther east and I believe that to be true to a degree. But you still have provided no stats to show how much worse and I am unable to locate any. Perhaps we are both wrong. Sometimes perceptions can be off base.
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At that point you can't always choose who will rent there and being an urban landlord I think is a job for very experienced professionals.
I am an urban landlord and you can choose. Choose. Do background, eviction, credit checks. Ask for references, talk to their employer, talk to their previous landlord, find out their income and make sure they are not making too little to afford their rent. A good guide line is their rent should be roughly a quarter of their monthly income. And living in the same building with them the OP will likely want to set up some sort of system to handle maintenance items so they are not bothered all the time. Set up a line of communication and schedule from there should keep you from getting bombarded.
I am not trying to rip your post apart. I am really interested in learning more about EWH and improving my perceptions of the area.
Last edited by TomJones123; 06-29-2012 at 08:24 AM..
Tom... You may consider it a humerous topic and I agree I should lighten up. But I also recognize people are betting their future on where they decide to purchase property. It is deadly serious to them,
If anyone is basing decisions based on city-data posts I think they REALLY need to reconsider. This place is decent to get various perceptions and opinions but should be taken with a grain of salt without proper verification. Reader beware.
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Property in EWH is a gamble anyway you want to cut it. Will the business district be rejuvenated? Why? give me five reasons why entrepeneurs will invest in businesses in EWH.
Their business district is doing alright, and East Walnut Hills is home to many businesses - both corporate and sole proprietorships . Here, email some of them and ask them why they are there. I bet you can get way more than 5 reasons:
I am not just out to bash EWH, because I remember when it had some of the best housing stock in all of Cincinnati. The houses may still be there, but the neighborhood is not. Tell us how this neighborhood is going to be resurrected to its former glory.
I don't think anywhere in Cincinnati will ever be restored to it's former glory. This isn't Manhattan. From you posts I doubt you know very much about present day EWH. Great streets vs good streets vs where the neighborhood takes a turn for the worse as it transitions into Walnut Hills or Evanston. EWH has multi-milion dollar homes and foreclosures.
Can you tell me, in this present day housing market, where so many people have lost equity in their homes (and this happens EVERYWHERE) how buying a house is not a gamble? How many people across America are now upside down in their investment? As far as gambles go, a person could do a lot worse than purchasing property on Moorman near McMillan. I combed that street and was interested in a house there. I have had feet on the ground. Have you?
If anyone is basing decisions based on city-data posts I think they REALLY need to reconsider. This place is decent to get various perceptions and opinions but should be taken with a grain of salt without proper verification. Reader beware.
Their business district is doing alright, and East Walnut Hills is home to many businesses - both corporate and sole proprietorships . Here, email some of them and ask them why they are there. I bet you can get way more than 5 reasons:
I don't think anywhere in Cincinnati will ever be restored to it's former glory. This isn't Manhattan. From you posts I doubt you know very much about present day EWH. Great streets vs good streets vs where the neighborhood takes a turn for the worse as it transitions into Walnut Hills or Evanston. EWH has multi-milion dollar homes and foreclosures.
Can you tell me, in this present day housing market, where so many people have lost equity in their homes (and this happens EVERYWHERE) how buying a house is not a gamble? How many people across America are now upside down in their investment? As far as gambles go, a person could do a lot worse than purchasing property on Moorman near McMillan. I combed that street and was interested in a house there. I have had feet on the ground. Have you?
Obviously I do not have my feet on the ground much anymore. But I am a great believer in financial data. The house you cited on Moorman appears attractive in the pictures, if you like dark interiors. But as I pointed out, in the general property crash its county evaluation had slipped from $166,000 in 2008 to $130,000 in 2011. Unless the majority of the interior renovation was performed in 2011, which I doubt, it is simply overpriced at $175,000. It is a decent 100 year old house, but simply not worth $175,000, too many missing ingredients.
^^ When it comes to real estate prices, I am a great believer in recent sales. County evaluations are a joke and are used for property taxes. This was handled earlier. If they can ask $175,000 and get it I would say the market proves the county auditor wrong.
I have looked data up on East Walnut Hills... It's not as safe as I would like. I'm not saying that's it's the worst neighborhood in Cincinnati. But compared to where I live now, it's a lot less safe. My main concern is my daughter. Before I know it, she will be a teenager. She'll want to walk to the store, home from the bus stop, to a friends house, etc. I know I wouldn't be comfortable with that in that neighborhood. There are so many more crimes when I compare Moorman to my current street; Leona Dr 45238. It's like night and day.
I know any crime can happen anywhere. But do I really want to invest over 200K in an area that is dense with crimes?
But do I really want to invest over 200K in an area that is dense with crimes?
Nah, you should stay put.
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