Hamilton County Property Tax rates. How much, why and for what? (Cincinnati: fit in, neighborhood)
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Totally OT but The Boston Foundationdoes these analyses of the region each year, so yes while certain people may be leaving others are coming.
Newcomer immigrants account for essentially all of Boston and MetroBoston’s population and workforce growth.
Boston's population grew by less than 15,000 over the 1990s. However, the number of recent foreign newcomers to Boston (those who arrived in the US between 1990 and 2000), increased by nearly 74,000 over the decade. Without those newcomers, Boston's population would have declined by about 59,000.
This trend has continued into this decade. Boston’s population increased by 7,497 people from 2000 to 2005, and of Boston’s total 2005 population, more than 39,000 new residents had come to the US since 2000.
Foreign immigration is also driving population and workforce growth in the entire region. According to the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey, the Boston-Cambridge-Quincy MA-NH Metropolitan Statistical Area gained about 167,000 newcomers between 2000 and 2005.
Between 2002 and 2005, the Census Bureau reported that the number of people between the ages of 20 and 64 in Massachusetts declined 0.3%, with white (non-Hispanics) decreasing 2% and African Americans decreasing 1.2%. Asians increased 13.9% and the number of Latinos increased 11.4%. Without these working age people, Massachusetts would have experienced a much more dramatic decline in its labor force.
Totally OT but The Boston Foundationdoes these analyses of the region each year, so yes while certain people may be leaving others are coming.
Either way, Boston is not losing population due to their schools. Because you know a few people who choose not to use Boston's public schools does not mean people are hightailing it out of Boston, especially when Boston's population is growing. Or perhaps you know people who don't like to mix it up with foreigners, or other non-white people. Either way.
Even though Cincinnati is losing population, I have yet to come across anything but speculation, opinion, and a person or two who knew someone who left Cincy because of the schools.
Boston is still a majority white city, so my speculation is invalid.
White: 53.9% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 47.0%)
Black or African American: 24.4% (Non-Hispanic black: 22.4%)
Native American: 0.2%
Asian: 8.9%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.0%
Some other race: 1.6%
Two or more races: 2.4%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 17.5%
I guess I just don't believe people are leaving Boston in droves to avoid the public schools no more that I believe that about Cincinnati. And judging from the above ethnicity breakdown it appears that white flight isn't the case either, where white people flee the schools only to be replaced by immigrants.
Either way, Boston is not losing population due to their schools. Because you know a few people who choose not to use Boston's public schools does not mean people are hightailing it out of Boston, especially when Boston's population is growing. Or perhaps you know people who don't like to mix it up with foreigners, or other non-white people. Either way.
Even though Cincinnati is losing population, I have yet to come across anything but speculation, opinion, and a person or two who knew someone who left Cincy because of the schools.
So keep your head in the sand, why else do you think people are leaving? And even though the direction CPS is going in is providing a better educational opportunity for some, for the rest it is decreasing. This is increasing the spread between the economic classes, which in the long run is a disaster for the City. I have already expressed in this and other threads this is a very difficult situation to deal with. But to deny it exists will not correct any of it.
I know more than a few people, from my old neighborhood and elsewhere, who left Cincinnati because when their kids approached school age. My neighbors on one side moved to Forest Hills, and on the other to Milford. Other friends moved to Oak Hills, Princeton, Sycamore, Madeira, West Clermont ... For a few of those people, there were secondary factors for moving, but schools were the primary reason.
I can't think of anyone in my old neighborhood who sent their kids to the public schools -- they all went to Catholic schools, and the older folks whose kids had grown had done the same.
So keep your head in the sand, why else do you think people are leaving?
Over the years. Manufacturing job losses, modest job growth, housing bubble, aging housing stock, foreclosure crisis, white flight. The usual suspects. These are verifiable. Loss because of CPS is so insignificant it doesn't even register as a contributing factor. The burden of proof is on you and those who keep beating your opinionated dead horses.
So keep your head in the sand, or elsewhere, and keep on blowing your unverifiable opinion. Verify it beyond you and a couple others saying you know someone that knows someone, and I will gladly shut up and congratulate you on substantiating claims I have been unable to substantiate.
Over the years. Manufacturing job losses, modest job growth, housing bubble, aging housing stock, foreclosure crisis, white flight. The usual suspects. These are verifiable. Loss because of CPS is so insignificant it doesn't even register as a contributing factor. The burden of proof is on you and those who keep beating your opinionated dead horses.
So keep your head in the sand, or elsewhere, and keep on blowing your unverifiable opinion. Verify it beyond you and a couple others saying you know someone that knows someone, and I will gladly shut up and congratulate you on substantiating claims I have been unable to substantiate.
Oh, my. What a charming, courteous tone your post has. That should absolutely work wonders in persuading people to your point of view.
But that's beside the point. Where is your independent verification of the statistics about why Cincinnati has lost population? Some numbers, perhaps, confirming the insignificance of the quality of the school system? Right now it just sounds like your opinion. Can you enlighten us with a source?
Either way, Boston is not losing population due to their schools. Because you know a few people who choose not to use Boston's public schools does not mean people are hightailing it out of Boston, especially when Boston's population is growing. Or perhaps you know people who don't like to mix it up with foreigners, or other non-white people. Either way.
Even though Cincinnati is losing population, I have yet to come across anything but speculation, opinion, and a person or two who knew someone who left Cincy because of the schools.
Your knowledge is limited, however I do think there is less Cincinnati CPS "flight" than BPS flight b/c CPS never had much buy-in to begin with. My grandparents moved my parents to Indian Hill from New Richmond in the 50s when Indian Hill got it's own school district, my stepfather's family relo'd to Madeira from Texas in the 70s, many of my friends families got plunked into Anderson by P&G in the 80s, etc. So while we are all "from Cincinnati" nobody ever had any skin in the CPS game. There was no great settling in-town and then some exodus outward due to schools, anyone who could afford it just avoided landing in-town in the first place.
OTOH there are my other friends: emancipated minors that went to SCPA and lived downtown in $25/mo apartments, children of single mothers in Pleasant Ridge/Peebles Corner/Walnut Hills, kids of Clifton bohemians artists who wanted an urban lifestyle. They all went to CPS b/c that is where their parents could afford to live- a couple tested into Walnut, most languished and dropped out of Hughes or Withrow, some stayed at SCPA (back then it was seen as a haven and the only safe place you could go, if you were a gay kid whether you wanted arts or not you aimed for SCPA.) These are the people that are staying in the city and betting on better schools, the artists and the musician and the freaks and geeks of yesteryear. So yes, most people you will meet in the city are not leaving the city b/c they made the choice to stay in the city years and years ago. However if they can't afford private, and they can't get into the magnet and the neighborhood school is crap they are going to leave and don't think it doesn't break their heart.
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