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Old 12-23-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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Thanks, but I doubt if I will ever see the inside of that place. An occasional $85-$100 for 6 adults and a child is stretching our budget about as far as we can swing.
That could be anywhere these days. My cousin told me that it costs him nearly $60 to feed his family of 2 adults and four kids at McDonalds. What amazes me is that his kids, three boys and a girl, are skinny as rails, and yet seem to eat him out of house and home.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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>I wonder if 3CDC has plans to continue north of liberty though. Anyone heard?

No I don't think so.

I think we will see redevelopment generally follow the streetcar route and probably the last streets to go untouched will be McMicken and E. Clifton. I would not be surprised of those two streets continue in their haggard state for another 10 years. I think Mulberry St. is a solid investment for someone who plans to be here for at least 10 years. Also I do think that if the Findlay Market area really takes off we will see more investment in the Dayton St. area. I have been telling people that the streetcar line should branch over to the nice part of the West End but I haven' heard anyone get excited about that idea.
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Old 12-25-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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>I wonder if 3CDC has plans to continue north of liberty though. Anyone heard?

No I don't think so.

I think we will see redevelopment generally follow the streetcar route and probably the last streets to go untouched will be McMicken and E. Clifton. I would not be surprised of those two streets continue in their haggard state for another 10 years. I think Mulberry St. is a solid investment for someone who plans to be here for at least 10 years. Also I do think that if the Findlay Market area really takes off we will see more investment in the Dayton St. area. I have been telling people that the streetcar line should branch over to the nice part of the West End but I haven' heard anyone get excited about that idea.
I appreciate the answer. I agree in McMicken and E. Clifton. Hopefully, demand will spearhead developers into the area at some point sooner than we think. I shopped several homes on Dayton Street a couple years ago, but could never get my mind around how busted the immediate area was. So I moved on, looking elsewhere. The area has a lot of potential. I agree that connecting it to one of the street car lines could prove an artery of life for the entire area. As a side note, at Findlay and Baymiller there are four to five Philly style row-houses that I would love to see renovated. Two of them are still occupied. I really lament the destruction of Kenyon Barr into Queensgate and the Westend. That's a real tragedy.
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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McMicken and E. Clifton are still very densely built, including various side streets, so there is going to be a serious parking problem in that area when and if it is rehabbed. I've suggested for a long time that a streetcar line should have or still could have been built on Main/Walnut north to Rothenberg School, then northwest on McMicken, continuing past the planned streetcar route at Vine to Mohawk Corner. At that point the line would cross Central Parkway, continue west on Bank St., then turn north on Colerain or another side street to Brighton (base of the diagonal bridge over Central Parkway). The total distance is about 1.75 miles so similar in scope to the currently under construction phase of the streetcar.

What's been entirely lost in the streetcar controversy is that that rail public transportation motivates banks to lend money for projects with less parking. When the parking situation is relieved in this way, it allows many projects to happen that wouldn't be possible otherwise. That's why in places like Portland there have been explosions of redevelopment along the lines -- it changes the lending rules, and it's lending more than anything else that has held back Over-the-Rhine all these years.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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What's been entirely lost in the streetcar controversy is that that rail public transportation motivates banks to lend money for projects with less parking. When the parking situation is relieved in this way, it allows many projects to happen that wouldn't be possible otherwise. That's why in places like Portland there have been explosions of redevelopment along the lines -- it changes the lending rules, and it's lending more than anything else that has held back Over-the-Rhine all these years.
Great points. That seems to be lost in Cincinnati, where it has become so politicized. At least we are moving ahead with something though. There has been some rehab along McMicken, but nothing mixed use, and no commercial. It's all section 8 as far as I know.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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McMicken and E. Clifton are still very densely built, including various side streets, so there is going to be a serious parking problem in that area when and if it is rehabbed. I've suggested for a long time that a streetcar line should have or still could have been built on Main/Walnut north to Rothenberg School, then northwest on McMicken, continuing past the planned streetcar route at Vine to Mohawk Corner. At that point the line would cross Central Parkway, continue west on Bank St., then turn north on Colerain or another side street to Brighton (base of the diagonal bridge over Central Parkway). The total distance is about 1.75 miles so similar in scope to the currently under construction phase of the streetcar.

What's been entirely lost in the streetcar controversy is that that rail public transportation motivates banks to lend money for projects with less parking. When the parking situation is relieved in this way, it allows many projects to happen that wouldn't be possible otherwise. That's why in places like Portland there have been explosions of redevelopment along the lines -- it changes the lending rules, and it's lending more than anything else that has held back Over-the-Rhine all these years.
Great post--informative, insightful, provocative--thanks!
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