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Old 02-13-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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Or we could just blame Marge Schott.
Marge is likely the main reason that the ballpark is on the riverfront and not at Broadway Commons, where the casino is now. In hindsight, it looks like it all worked out for the best. But I remember really favoring BC for the new park.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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When you say things like this, it puts in full view how little you really know and understand about the things you rant against. The stadiums were strictly a Hamilton County deal, with little to nothing to do with City Council. But hey, if it makes your argument look better to just throw everything you can at the wall and blame it on the city then go for it. Isn't that Rule 1A in the COAST handbook?
And Rule 1A in the urbanist handbook is to deny everything. Someday there may be agreement to the fact mistakes have been made and move forward. How can two stadiums built on the City's waterfront not involve the City? Could the County just plop down stadiums anywhere they pleased without the City's consent?
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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And Rule 1A in the urbanist handbook is to deny everything. Someday there may be agreement to the fact mistakes have been made and move forward. How can two stadiums built on the City's waterfront not involve the City? Could the County just plop down stadiums anywhere they pleased without the City's consent?
Quit trying to pick fights on technicalities. Obviously the city was involved in the process once the stadiums got the green light. Just like the city would be involved if Donald Trump came to town today and announced he was building a 100-story skyscraper at Seventh and Vine to be paid for entirely by him.

But the stadiums were the county's baby. In fact, I think the majority of City Council at the time favored the Reds ballpark to be built at Broadway Commons. Certainly Jim Tarbell, then vice mayor, championed BC. A county-wide vote - along with Marge's insistence - put it on the riverfront.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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But the stadiums were the county's baby. In fact, I think the majority of City Council at the time favored the Reds ballpark to be built at Broadway Commons. Certainly Jim Tarbell, then vice mayor, championed BC. A county-wide vote - along with Marge's insistence - put it on the riverfront.
And you still feel Broadway Commons was a better choce? Then where would the casino have gone? At least the Casino will be a year-round operation, not sitting there vacant how many months of the year? The stadiums are vacant a portion of the year. But where they are located who really cares?
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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And you still feel Broadway Commons was a better choce? Then where would the casino have gone? At least the Casino will be a year-round operation, not sitting there vacant how many months of the year? The stadiums are vacant a portion of the year. But where they are located who really cares?
If you were reading what abr7mrj said, and not what you wanted him to say, you would have seen where he said "everything worked out for the best" even though he had supported the BC site. (Maybe you could take this opportunity to boost your reputation and admit you were wrong about the Paul McCartney concert.) But that's not even relevant to the point he was making, which is that the county was a far bigger player than the city in stadium decisions. The only really majorly bad decision, in my eyes, was approved by county voters, and championed by county commissioners (most prominently Bedinghaus).

A creative mind could come up with many more uses than stadiums for the central riverfront. "Where they are located who really cares?" I can't even fathom why you would ask that question, as if the central riverfront were some throw-away location. Actually, I'm surprised you would view Pendleton as a more valuable location for year-round activity.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:16 PM
 
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I think having the Reds ballpark on the riverfront has proven a great idea and will ensure that the Banks stays vibrant and filled with tenants. They have 82+ events there a year and will continue to draw better crowds as the synergy between The Banks and the Castellini family investment in the team continues.

Granted, I'm a little biased since I only care about baseball, but I don't think a football stadium makes any sense to take up valuable property. It's used only 12 times a year, attracts the wrong crowd of people, and people are more likely to tailgate in oversized parking lots than frequent local establishments before games.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Granted, I'm a little biased since I only care about baseball, but I don't think a football stadium makes any sense to take up valuable property. It's used only 12 times a year, attracts the wrong crowd of people, and people are more likely to tailgate in oversized parking lots than frequent local establishments before games.
This statement reminds me of Tracy Jones' schtick on WLW where he ranks the 'quality' of the fans of different sports. I don't remember the hierarchy exactly, but golf, baseball, and tennis had high quality fans, football and basketball were in the middle, and NASCAR and pro wrestling were near the bottom. I am always amazed by Mr. Jones' thoughtfulness, tact, and humility.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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Don't get me wrong... I think you're dealing with the same overall fanbase of NFL vs. MLB, but because of a number of factors that have been listed out a million times before, the people choosing to attend NFL games vs. watch it on their 1080p screens is increasingly an unpleasant crowd.

I love both sports, but you can't tell me there's not a marked difference in Reds games vs. Bengals games.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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I stand corrected. The stadiums should have been built out in Butler and Warren counties. That would have done a whole lot for the rejuvenation of Cincinnati. The football stadium should have been built at the former site of the College Football Hall of Fame next to Kings Island. They could have then shared the Kings Island parking lot and trams to move people to the stadium. Perhaps the Great Wolf Lodge could have been incorporated into the stadium design.

The stadiums are located exactly where they should be, in downtown Cincinnati. The people they attract to town, they money they spend, even a dummy like me realizes this is a major shot to the City.

Does anyone remember the Pontiac Silverdome? I think the Bengals may have actually played in a Super Bowl there in 1982 against the dreaded 49ers. It is now an empty shell.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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I stand corrected. The stadiums should have been built out in Butler and Warren counties. That would have done a whole lot for the rejuvenation of Cincinnati. The football stadium should have been built at the former site of the College Football Hall of Fame next to Kings Island. They could have then shared the Kings Island parking lot and trams to move people to the stadium. Perhaps the Great Wolf Lodge could have been incorporated into the stadium design.

The stadiums are located exactly where they should be, in downtown Cincinnati. The people they attract to town, they money they spend, even a dummy like me realizes this is a major shot to the City.

Does anyone remember the Pontiac Silverdome? I think the Bengals may have actually played in a Super Bowl there in 1982 against the dreaded 49ers. It is now an empty shell.
The Reds park is in the right place. Paul Brown Stadium, as designed, is not. If it were domed and were able to host year-round events (NCAA tournaments, large conventions, political conventions, large concerts, international soccer, a college bowl game, maybe even a Super Bowl) then the location would be fine. But, as it is, it's unable to be used for much besides football. It's virually useless from February through July, aside from wedding receptions, proms and other gatherings in the club levels.

If you look at most similar stadiums (outdoor NFL stadiums used only 10-12 times a year), they're located in lightly used areas, not high-profile prime real estate. No one is suggesting PBS should have been built in the suburbs like the Redskins did with FedEx Field in Landover, Md., but what's wrong with Queensgate or Camp Washington ... somewhere like that?
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