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Old 01-16-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati near
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Roads and highways have their flaws, but in my estimation their most valuable aspect is the decentralization of their control. Dozens of manufacturers make cars, different groups maintain infrastructure, the fuel is a commodity (albeit cartel controlled) and the operation of personal transportation is treated more as a right than as a privilege. Very much like the internet, the road transit system is resistant to top down control by its very nature and its redundancy, while costing efficiency in space and energy, makes it a very robust system.

Rail transit has many advantages, particularly for freight, but its weakness is that it is centrally controlled. Centralized control just about mandates that many aspects of it must be run as a public utility rather a private business, because if it is a private business it is a monopoly. The problem with public utilities in general is that there can be a huge discrepancy between who pays the cost and who reaps the benefits. In cities of a certain density the efficiency gains of rail more than offset the innate problems that I see with the system. For Cincinnati, I think the argument should be rephrased in terms of whether Cincinnati meets that density threshold and if not will it grow to that threshold in the near future.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Dayton Sux...

Got some news for you, that two way section through the cut in Lockland was I-75 and part of the original highway through Cincinnati. Traveled it frequently going from my employer in Norwood to GE Evendale. Yes, it was conjested and dangerous.

One of my biggest traffic thrills was when traveling southbound I looked over and saw the left front wheel of the car next to me completely come off. For a couple of seconds I was mesmerized. How often do you see a wheel completely come off a car? In a few seconds the car bottomed out on the road, spun around, and raised Hell in those traffic lanes.

I made a split second decision to put my accelerator to the floor, outrunning the free wheel. Looked in the rear view mirror just to see it veer over and jump the divider into the northbound lanes. Hit a car head on. Now what do you think a fully inflated tire on a wheel being hit headon will do? It looked like a ping pong ball going back and forth across the road. I remember seeing it bounce off the retaining walls and into the side of cars, back to the retaining wall and repeat. Totally amazing. Of course most of the damage was caused by the northbound traffic trying to figure out what the Hell was going on and running into each other.

For many months I took the long slow route up Reading Rd to GE Evendale. Even though they eventually built a separate set of northbound lanes around Lockland, I still get a gueasy feeling when going southbound through that original cut.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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What happens if there is a power failure in the middle of it? Do you just float around as some sort of particles in the cosmos somewhere? And once transported do you end up like reconstituted orange juice, similar to but not quite like the original.
OK, Dr. McCoy ...
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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The problem isn't with the highway. The problem is there are too many exits.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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The problem isn't with the highway. The problem is there are too many exits.
I certainly agree with this. Every little burb along the way feels they are entitled to an interchange.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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I certainly agree with this. Every little burb along the way feels they are entitled to an interchange.
That's because somewhere along the road the interstate highway system morphed from a transportation tool into a development tool. Were the interstates originally intended to spur development? Or were they intended to move goods (and the military ) around the country?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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Got some news for you, that two way section through the cut in Lockland was I-75 and part of the original highway through Cincinnati. Traveled it frequently going from my employer in Norwood to GE Evendale. Yes, it was conjested and dangerous
I think that is what I said. It was built in the 1940s, but the interestate system didnt come into being in the 1950s. At some point they built those northbound lanes that swung between Lockland and Reading, but the original freeway was that one directly through Lockland.

Heres a pix
Mill Creek Expressway circa 1943
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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In keeping with the moderator's request this subject not occupy valuable space in the Development Thread, I am starting this new thread for ranting on the Interstate Highway System or even just roads in general.

I will just start it off by declaring I believe the Interstate Highway System is one of the greatest endeavors this country ever achieved. It is the backbone of commerce in this country, to this day. Without it our daily quality of life would be greatly diminished.

Look around you, every automotive manufacturer in the world aims at our market, and many actually come here and build plants to build their cars/trucks, etc. They would not give us a second look if not for the Interstate Highway System. It permits them to distribute their product in the US and provides the customers to purchase it.

OK, naysayers, let's hear the rebuttal how it is just one big conspiracy of the auto and oil industries.

When is Ohio going to build an Interstate connecting Toledo directly with Columbus?
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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There things sat until the Interstate Highway Act in the 1950 provided the money to build a true expressway system.

I thought that happened in 1956?

The Ohio Turnpike was built before the Interstates.
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Old 01-16-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: In a happy place
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I certainly agree with this. Every little burb along the way feels they are entitled to an interchange.
OK, so which interchanges on I-71 between Columbus and Cincinnati should be eliminated. And if we have too many, there should be no more than 1 in the Mason area.
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