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Old 01-25-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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If you guys want to play the class war game, why do you pick on poor people? It is the white collar criminals, the corporate welfare queens, who are fleecing society at a scale your average gutter-addict couldn't dream of in their most altered state.

The gentrification question is very complicated. Concentrating social services and the populations that use them in Over-the-Rhine and such areas was certainly not spoiling them. It was quarantining them. Middle-class/white flight is much the same: if we move to the burbs, we can avoid actually taking responsibility for the region's well-being. Another level of quarantining.

To reverse the mistake would mean dispersing, or displacing, residents and services. It's an awful situation, and there are valid arguments to be made from all sides. One thing 3CDC has taken advantage of is abandonment in the neighborhood. It's easier to avoid the displacement issue if you can convert abandoned buildings. But you're still raising property values. And social services are closing down and/or moving from the neighborhood, services many residents rely upon. These tragedies will bring detractors to the plans and policies in the neighborhood, as would any course of action or inaction. And rightfully so: mistreatment, inevitable as it may be, should not be accepted complacently. The point-counterpoint dialogue is healthy. That said, anyone taking a black-and-white view of the situation is not being serious.
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Old 01-25-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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If you guys want to play the class war game, why do you pick on poor people? It is the white collar criminals, the corporate welfare queens, who are fleecing society at a scale your average gutter-addict couldn't dream of in their most altered state.
Truth.

On the topic, I am adamantly for relocating the Drop In Center. Being that close to a school is not good. Why? The occasional nut job, just like the one that shot Buddy Gray.

Also, on topic, The Daily Bread seems like they do a good work. And right across from Findlay Market at that.
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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>Of course it does. Low-income people build connections and communities the same as anyone else. Being shoved from neighborhood to neighborhood is the same as being told you're not wanted; you don't matter.

Every neighborhood everywhere turns over almost completely within two generations. How many schools, anywhere in the United States, have a third generation of kids coming through them? I bring this up because I had the very rare experience of being a third generation to not only attend the same school, but in the exact same building. There were many second generation kids but only a handful were third generation. If I were to go back to the street I grew up on, maybe 2 families are still there. Only two or three businesses are still there in the shopping center.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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Jake, that's true, but here we are talking about a public subsidy which rather directly switches the demographics of the neighborhood. That makes the issue a bit different.

I'm not against 3CDC, but I think we should be mindful of the gravity of the situation.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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^Mindful? You mean sweep it under the rug??? Look where it has gotten us to this point.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Keep in mind that you can still get a free building NOL. More units in Otr are lost to neglect, collapse, landords who have done nothing in 30 years, etc than gentrification ever could.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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^Mindful? You mean sweep it under the rug??? Look where it has gotten us to this point.
I honestly don't know what you mean.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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Keep in mind that you can still get a free building NOL. More units in Otr are lost to neglect, collapse, landords who have done nothing in 30 years, etc than gentrification ever could.
Very true. And that includes properties owned by generously subsidized social service agencies.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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I honestly have no idea how much of a subsidy the assorted social service agencies get. It seems to me that most of these groups, while well intentioned, get in way over there heads. It will be interesting to see what some of the churches and charities which are operating out of buildings that are falling down around them end up doing.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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I honestly have no idea how much of a subsidy the assorted social service agencies get. It seems to me that most of these groups, while well intentioned, get in way over there heads. It will be interesting to see what some of the churches and charities which are operating out of buildings that are falling down around them end up doing.
This is obviously completely out-dated info, but this video has some numbers on subsidies and shows some individual instances of these organizations either getting in over their heads or mismanaging funds:


Visions of Vine Street - WCPO - YouTube
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