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Old 02-10-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Check that out, my baseless speculation just fell flat.


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Cincinnati-Dayton-Middletown Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN; Dayton, OH; Middletown, OH; Springfield, OH
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Merging of urbanized area's is another way the two will join as an MSA/CSA. They were already set to merge in 2010.

https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...010-census#t-2

But they didn't allow it to happen this review period by putting an all out ban on no urban area's could merge unless they were losing urban status. Mainly do to the Philadelphia-NYC merger. Philadelphia would fight tooth and nail before that ever happens.
Informative and insightful post, unusualfire--this federal 2010 survey recognizes the strengths of both Cleveland and Cincinnati amongst other premier U.S. cities. Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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While it includes Springfield, what they have there is still not a merger of the Dayton MSA and Cincinnati CSA, as the population would be much higher in that case (a little over 3mil).
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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While it includes Springfield, what they have there is still not a merger of the Dayton MSA and Cincinnati CSA, as the population would be much higher in that case (a little over 3mil).
Without Springfeild Cincinnati and Dayton will be over 3 million...
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Without Springfeild Cincinnati and Dayton will be over 3 million...
In your dreams.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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In your dreams.
Are you kidding? Dayton and Cincy MSA combination would be 3,056,456 - w/o Clark county.
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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A few year ago. I did some research on which counties maybe added to the Cincinnati MSA/CSA. They will added over 100k to the metro. Those were Ripley county in Indiana, Highland and Adams county in Ohio. They were all well over the 15% exchange rate in 2000.

I got the data from Differences between the 1990 and 2000 Census Questionnaires

I was using old numbers so i fully expect them to be added to the CSA and MSA when the redefinitions come out June 6th 2013.

Other counties has a chance as well including Mason county in Ky. Wayne county in Indiana to the Dayton CSA.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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Are you kidding? Dayton and Cincy MSA combination would be 3,056,456 - w/o Clark county.
Thanks Kjbrill just dont know his facts and loves to talk negative!
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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In your dreams.
It would be over 3 million, brill. Sorry to rain on your parade.
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Are you kidding? Dayton and Cincy MSA combination would be 3,056,456 - w/o Clark county.
I expect that is based on estimated population figures since the 2010 census. Does the Census Bureau reestimate annually? I assume they would to find something to do between censuses.

I was surprised to learn Dayton's population is close to half of Cincinnati's. I thought it was a much smaller city. Same goes for the MSA population.

So is that the reason to argue for a combined Day-Cin MSA, to make Cincinnati appear larger than it really is?

I get a kick out of MSA and CSA. CSA is just another way to inflate numbers.

Seems to bear a lot of resemblance to political districts and all the gerrymandering which goes on there.

MSA and CSA, the only time urbanites want to even acknowledge suburbs exist, when they need them to inflate the importance. A Cincinnati population of 296,000 and a Dayton of 142,000 just don't seem to carry the same impact as 3,056,456. In fact they are about 1/7 or 14% on the importance scale for the region.

So who has fared the worse since 1950?
1950 Cincinnati 503,998, today 296,233, difference = -207,765 or -41.2%
1950 Dayton 243,872, today 142,148, differenence = -101,724 or -41.7%

I would call this a dead heat as to who can lose population the fastest.

Take at look at the population figures in a diifferent light. Back in 1950 the two cities combined had a population influence compared to today of (207,765+101,724)/(296,233+142,148) or 73.6% greater than today.
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