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Old 02-07-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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kjbrill - Perhaps you missed where I said that such an airport was a "pipe dream" and that it should have happened "many years ago." I'm not suggesting building an airport there today - that's absolutely unrealistic. Besides, we've already exhausted this Monroe airport argument in a previous thread and I'm not interested in a replay.
Yes I agree it is a pipe dream. What I cannot understand is how some apparently serious posters keep saying we neeed a regional airport between the two cities. Where is the money pot? I just cannot see it ever happening.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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Yes I agree it is a pipe dream. What I cannot understand is how some apparently serious posters keep saying we neeed a regional airport between the two cities. Where is the money pot? I just cannot see it ever happening.
The time to have built such an airport, unfortunately, has come and gone. It should have been proposed and built before 1980. Too bad there were no forward thinkers in either city who spearheaded such an endeavor.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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^Yeah I remember back in the 80's where this new arena or stadium was to be built out there. The hippodome or something like that. I guess it could be done they get an NBA team.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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^Yeah I remember back in the 80's where this new arena or stadium was to be built out there. The hippodome or something like that. I guess it could be done they get an NBA team.
What does an airport have to do with a sports stadium? Even a large sports stadium between Cincinnati and Dayton makes more sense than an airport. But I don't think a stadium will bring back an NBA team. What is the emphasis? Even Indianapolis makes more sense with their Pacers than anything around here.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:14 PM
 
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A metro can have more than one core county. It depends on the urban area. Which Cincinnati and Dayton does.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/thrall...t2004april.pdf

Do you really think 15% or 25%(automatic inclusion) of Baltimore's commuters travel just to the District of Columbia? OR Olympia, Wa commuters travel to King county of Seattle? Or all those Fort Worth commuters travel to Dallas County?? Or The newer CSA's Providence commuters traveling to Boston's Suffolk County? Or Daytona's commuters going to Orlando's Orange county?

So the commuters of Greene county headed to Warren or Clinton county for work don't count?

California perspective on the area.

Cincinnati/Dayton Metroplex Market Spotlight on Vimeo

Here is a Cincinnati/Dayton blog.
The Cincinnati-Dayton Metroplex | News, Information, and Opinions about the Cincinnati and Dayton Region
Thanks for the info.!!!

I believe that the only one of your examples that is a bit of a stretch is the Orlando CSA because Daytona Beach is about 60 miles and two counties away, and Orlando/Orange County is not the employment draw that the other mentioned cities are. But DC has a huge downtown in terms of the numbers of workers that it could easily meet the interchange requirement with Baltimore. The same thing could be said for Boston (huge downtown)/Providence and Seattle (huge downtown)/Olympia. Dallas and Ft Worth are in adjacent counties and therefore the interchange requirement is easily met. Also DFW is now an MSA.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:17 PM
 
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What does an airport have to do with a sports stadium? Even a large sports stadium between Cincinnati and Dayton makes more sense than an airport. But I don't think a stadium will bring back an NBA team. What is the emphasis? Even Indianapolis makes more sense with their Pacers than anything around here.
Not to get completely off track here, but why is that? Cincinnati is the 29th largest MSA in the country and that's not even taking into account Dayton and the one million or so in that metro that's literally attached to Cincy. Indy is a smaller metro without any substantial-sized nearby attached metro like Dayton.

An NBA team won't come to Cincinnati without a new arena, certainly. But it's not out of the question. The NBA is in myriad metropolitan areas smaller than Cincinnati, including Memphis, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, New Orleans, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Salt Lake City, even Cleveland.

List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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Not to get completely off track here, but why is that? Cincinnati is the 29th largest MSA in the country and that's not even taking into account Dayton and the one million or so in that metro that's literally attached to Cincy. Indy is a smaller metro without any substantial-sized nearby attached metro like Dayton.

An NBA team won't come to Cincinnati without a new arena, certainly. But it's not out of the question. The NBA is in myriad metropolitan areas smaller than Cincinnati, including Memphis, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, New Orleans, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Salt Lake City, even Cleveland.

List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Major league sports franchises are more concerned with television market size when it comes to expansion and relocation, not the MSA/CSA size.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Major league sports franchises are more concerned with television market size when it comes to expansion and relocation, not the MSA/CSA size.
Yes. Besides, Cleveland's MSA being smaller than Cincinnati's is pretty nit-picky. They are virtually the same size. Cleveland's tv market, however, is considerably larger. Cleveland's tv market it similarly sized to Miami's and bigger than Denver, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Portland, Baltimore, Columbus, San Diego, Kansas City.

But anyway, I'm just curious, besides wanting to get federal money for possible infrastructure projects, why else would someone from Cincinnati want to be associated with Dayton? I see the two kind of late Cleveland-Akron, only Dayton is kinda more boring and worse than Akron, and farther away from the bigger city. At least in my mind, when I think of Cincinnati, I think of civilization, of a real city with its own culture and fun things to do. When I've been to Dayton (which admittedly is only like twice), I couldn't wait to leave. Just not a whole lot happening. Just not a whole lot of personality compared to Cincinnati.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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Yes. Besides, Cleveland's MSA being smaller than Cincinnati's is pretty nit-picky. They are virtually the same size. Cleveland's tv market, however, is considerably larger. Cleveland's tv market it similarly sized to Miami's and bigger than Denver, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Portland, Baltimore, Columbus, San Diego, Kansas City.

But anyway, I'm just curious, besides wanting to get federal money for possible infrastructure projects, why else would someone from Cincinnati want to be associated with Dayton? I see the two kind of late Cleveland-Akron, only Dayton is kinda more boring and worse than Akron, and farther away from the bigger city. At least in my mind, when I think of Cincinnati, I think of civilization, of a real city with its own culture and fun things to do. When I've been to Dayton (which admittedly is only like twice), I couldn't wait to leave. Just not a whole lot happening. Just not a whole lot of personality compared to Cincinnati.
The only reason Cleveland's TV market is larger is because it includes Akron/Canton, whereas Dayton has its own TV stations. But you don't think that Dayton TV would cover/carry a potential Cincinnati NBA team? Dayton TV sports devotes most of its non-UD time covering the Reds and Bengals anyway.

And how do you figure Akron is better than Dayton? Going back to the MSA stats, Dayton is larger than Akron and, like Cincinnati, it's actually gaining population. Cleveland and Akron would love to be gaining population too. Does Akron have an Air Force base or the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force? Does Akron host the NCAA men's basketball tournament every year?

And, granted this is a limited poll, but it was put to the C-D test just last week. Not a lot of people cared but those that did weren't too high on Akron.

Akron vs Dayton vs Toledo

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Old 02-07-2013, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Can't wait until the day it's official. Then we can put the merger to rest.

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