Cincinnati - Dayton (Cleveland, Akron, Washington: airport, light rail, land)

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

^ You can drive to many places that don't seem a part of the metro. Blandchester, Oxford, Vivey,in etc. Sam can be said about other metro's Like Washington, Pa to Pittsburgh's Metro.

Washington feels pretty tied-in with Pittsburgh to me. Development along I-79 between I-70 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike is almost continuous. The only real break in the action is for about six miles between the Ohio River and I-279, and that's primarily because it passes through a very wealthy area with large lots.

[SWOH]

Originally Posted by goofy328

It is all about making Dayton seem larger than it is and a boost to the psyche of Daytonians. Can't tell you how many times I heard about this when I lived in Dayton.

Does it make any difference at the end of the day? Not really. Just looks good on paper, that's all.

I live in Dayton and I never hear about it at all. Now when I was in Monroe, that was a different story altogether....

Those north of Courthouse Square or south of Fountain Square do not care about Daytonnati because any new growth in the area based on the Daytonnati mega-city is poised to occur between the two cities. The metro has not grown to the size yet where infill development in the 50-mile stretch is economically feasible. Also, current sprawl development north of Dayton or south of Cincinnati generally is built only in response to demand for housing in the nearby vicinity, not the surrounding area.

Still, formal designation could secure funding for high-speed rail, which would be awesome! Especially if we elect a Democrat to replace Kasich in 2016 (although I actually kinda like Kasich now, so I'm torn whether I should vote for him or not...)

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

^ You just contradicted yourself. Early you said from Montgomery to Hamilton county only.

No, I didn't contradict myself. For Daytonnati to happen, the required interchange has to occur between the two core counties. You are the one that suggested that the interchange requirement was just between the two MSAs, which could mean the bordering counties between the two MSAs instead of the two core counties. I'm pretty sure that the interchange between Montgomery County and either Warren or Butler Counties has been over 15% for quite awhile.

[unusualfire]

A metro can have more than one core county. It depends on the urban area. Which Cincinnati and Dayton does.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/thrall...t2004april.pdf

Do you really think 15% or 25%(automatic inclusion) of Baltimore's commuters travel just to the District of Columbia? OR Olympia, Wa commuters travel to King county of Seattle? Or all those Fort Worth commuters travel to Dallas County?? Or The newer CSA's Providence commuters traveling to Boston's Suffolk County? Or Daytona's commuters going to Orlando's Orange county?

So the commuters of Greene county headed to Warren or Clinton county for work don't count?

California perspective on the area.

http://vimeo.com/48842573

Here is a Cincinnati/Dayton blog.
http://cindaymetroplex.com

[unusualfire]

Here is an article about how many commuters was needed in 1990 and how many is needed for the combination.
Ready for `Daytonnati?' It could happen - Business Courier

[abr7rmj]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

Washington feels pretty tied-in with Pittsburgh to me. Development along I-79 between I-70 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike is almost continuous. The only real break in the action is for about six miles between the Ohio River and I-279, and that's primarily because it passes through a very wealthy area with large lots.

I drive through Washington, Pa., regularly on the way from Cincinnati to DC and I don't ever really feel like I'm in Pittsburgh. I can get Pitt radio stations, yea, but drive a couple of miles more and I can get some Cleveland stations too.

[progmac]

The problem with Daytonnati is that we don't have the population to support it. It would just be greater middletown with hollowed-out cities on either end. In other words, a placeless and forgettable place. Certainly this is not something to which we should aspire.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by progmac

It would just be greater middletown with hollowed-out cities on either end.

I'll agree that Dayton is quite empty and feels that way, but Cincinnati (in spite of population loss) does not have a "hollowed out" feel to it at all.

[progmac]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

I'll agree that Dayton is quite empty and feels that way, but Cincinnati (in spite of population loss) does not have a "hollowed out" feel to it at all.

i was attempting to speak to the concept of "daytonnati" as being a concept that would implicitly require the hollowing of cincinnati and dayton in order to fill in the middle. i wasn't commenting on either city in its current sate.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by progmac

i was attempting to speak to the concept of "daytonnati" as being a concept that would implicitly require the hollowing of cincinnati and dayton in order to fill in the middle. i wasn't commenting on either city in its current sate.

Gotcha. I doubt Middletown would ever achieve the population necessary to overtake Dayton or Cincy as an anchor city. As far as the sprawl in between the two cities, things are too fragmented municipality wise to make a difference.

It's been mentioned before, but the main benefit would come down to Federal funding and national attention should the pending metroplex actually occur.