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Old 07-04-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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Middletown should annex the surrounding Townships around I-75. Expand it's foot print to about 70 square miles like the city of Frisco in Texas. Make a city of 100,000- 150,000 people. Make a new downtown along I-75 with the accessibility to Commuter rail or High speed rail. No it don't have to be sprawl. Just plan smart with medium to high density.

Frisco, Texas had population of 6000 in 1990. Now it has a population of over 130,000 in 71 square miles.

It makes me wonder if any of Ohio cities has the will to grow.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Good God, man! Where are we going to grow corn and soybeans?

Middletown already crosses I-75 to the east, and bumps up against Franklin to the north and Monroe to the south.

It should annex Trenton, do you think?
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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I don't think a city ever Annexed another city. Usually unincorporated area's. Yes get them corn and soybean fields or what ever they sell, so a developer can't buy them and build what they want, because they are in a township.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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Townships can have strict zoning regulations just as well as cities.
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Old 07-04-2013, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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I don't think a city ever Annexed another city.
I don't think it's possible, either. I was just being silly.

But your idea about annexing land to keep it agricultural is an interesting one.

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Townships can have strict zoning regulations just as well as cities.
If they have home rule, which I imagine most townships in Butler and Warren counties would have.
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Old 07-05-2013, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Townships can have strict zoning regulations just as well as cities.
But they usually don't. They will agree to about anything a developer proposes since they want the property tax.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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But they usually don't. They will agree to about anything a developer proposes since they want the property tax.
Maybe townships in your area, but not in ours. They go for zoning around here to keep the developments out.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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One thing which needs to be noted. A city, incorporated entity, etc. cannot just decide they want to annex adjacent land. There are regulations requiring the home owners to petition for annexation. They must believe becoming part of the incorporated district is in their best interest. Of course cities can always encourage annexation by identifying all of the advantages the property owners will achieve. In tha majority of circumstances that relates to increased value of the land for development via water, sewers, and other infastructure.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:11 AM
 
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Middletown should annex the surrounding Townships around I-75. Expand it's foot print to about 70 square miles like the city of Frisco in Texas. Make a city of 100,000- 150,000 people. Make a new downtown along I-75 with the accessibility to Commuter rail or High speed rail. No it don't have to be sprawl. Just plan smart with medium to high density.

Frisco, Texas had population of 6000 in 1990. Now it has a population of over 130,000 in 71 square miles.

It makes me wonder if any of Ohio cities has the will to grow.
That won't happen with Middletown. Ever. Maybe Hamilton, but never Middletown.


Why? Schools and public services. Those are the only two reasons why any area wants to be annexed.

Financially, there is no incentive for surrounding townships to be annexed into Middletown. They already have city water/sewer. They aren't walkable enough to desire Middletown's public transit.

Additionally, there is only one township to be annexed - Franklin Twp. Most likely their allegiance is to Franklin. If the city of Franklin ever became more affluent, then I could see the possibility of a merger with Franklin. Turtlecreek Twp. is not close enough to be in consideration.

Besides all of that, Middletown schools are not good. The suburbanites would never go for a merger with worse schools. A lot of Monroe's growth, besides the natural growth curve of the region striking that far north, probably had to do with their separation from Middletown Schools. Now they are an Excellent-rated district, have a new building, and people are moving there despite the overall sleaze of the city's amenities and its politics (word to the wise - NEVER buy city of Monroe municipal bonds).



Although I could see Hamilton growing through acquisition if its schools got better. A lot is happening in Downtown Hamilton, the city is good condition overall, and honestly I can see Hamilton city schools being better than Fairfield city schools in five years. Then Fairfield Twp. will want to be annexed by Hamilton. They already get their city utilities from the Butler County regional water/sewer , so it would be an easy transition. That would put Hamilton near 100k people. Just a thought...
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:50 AM
 
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My assumption is that Turtlecreek (which is a fairly large township geographically speaking) would voluntarily merge with Lebanon before it would ever allow itself to be annexed by Middletown.

Middletown (whether fairly or not) has a reputation as being on a dying trend. Poor schools. Poor economics. Few jobs. Dying downtown. This is not an area that outlying townships are going to willingly agree to join.

I think Middletown has some neat things (I like the art building downtown -- has some interesting boutiques/galleries inside) .. but unfortunately I don't just think annexation is going to be their solution
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