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Old 09-27-2013, 12:03 AM
 
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Talk about "thinking without facts."

FIXED RAILS ATTRACT RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES
FIXED RAILS ATTRACT INVESTMENT
FIXED RAILS GUIDE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS

Buses do not. They are a different animal.

Your list is great for why a given person may choose not to take a given trip on transit, but it far from proves anything at all about potential ridership. Unless someone were expecting that everyone would want to take light rail for every trip, which would be equally as absurd as you thinking everyone wants to drive for every trip.

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Old 09-27-2013, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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The best indication of what light rail ridership will be like can be found in the ridership of the buses that make those trips now. Light rail would replace the buses, not add more trips.

Mass transit does not work in all but the 15 biggest cities in the US. In the other cases, mass transit usually carries fewer than 10 percent of all trips. The following are reasons why more people don't use the transit:

1. The transit does not run near to where the person is.

2. The transit does not run where the person needs to go.

3. The transit does not run in the area yet when the person needs to make the trip.

4. The transit has already quit running when the person needs to return.

5. The person can't bring the freight he needs to move aboard the transit.

6. The transit takes much longer than a trip by car.

7. The transit costs much more than a trip by car.

8. Some people bring strong perfume or other things that make other people sick onto the transit.
Transit does not cost more than a car. lol Where in the world did you get that from?????? Also haven't you heard of a schedule to get you to places you need to get by transit?????
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Old 09-27-2013, 07:32 AM
 
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Something that will need to be addressed should a rail system ever be built. If this happens it would create havoc for many businesses and their employees that will count on mass transit to provide reliable service.

Rail failure shows need for infrastructure investment. - Courant.com
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Something that will need to be addressed should a rail system ever be built. If this happens it would create havoc for many businesses and their employees that will count on mass transit to provide reliable service.

Rail failure shows need for infrastructure investment. - Courant.com
A nice tearjerker article. But one which is still a liberal agenda PR article. I feel very little support for this effort.
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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A nice tearjerker article. But one which is still a liberal agenda PR article. I feel very little support for this effort.
Brill, you have absolutely no concept of the role rail plays in people's lives in the NYC metro. According the article, 40,000 people take the New Haven line every day. That's 10,000 more people than the entire population of Mason, and that's only one line. Metro North has five lines total that connect to Grand Central Terminal, where most transfer to the subway to get to their destination. Get a clue.
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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Brill, you have absolutely no concept of the role rail plays in people's lives in the NYC metro. According the article, 40,000 people take the New Haven line every day. That's 10,000 more people than the entire population of Mason, and that's only one line. Metro North has five lines total that connect to Grand Central Terminal, where most transfer to the subway to get to their destination. Get a clue.
If you want to continue to cite NYC as the do-all-and-end-all of existence, why do you not simply move back there? I for one am simply satisfied with my lifetime in Cincinnati, and do not need someone from another state to tell me how I and all of my neighbors have missed the boat
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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If you want to continue to cite NYC as the do-all-and-end-all of existence, why do you not simply move back there? I for one am simply satisfied with my lifetime in Cincinnati, and do not need someone from another state to tell me how I and all of my neighbors have missed the boat
I was responding to the following quote left by kjbrill. You do realize that Metro North connects NYC to it's suburbs, right? We are talking about NYC, so how can I not cite it in this context?


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A nice tearjerker article. But one which is still a liberal agenda PR article. I feel very little support for this effort.
So if you have no clue then don't comment. Otherwise, it's just nonsense.

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Old 09-27-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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I have mixed feeling about the author's take on the situation. I think folks need to be a little more understanding sometimes that things just break down. Cars break down all the time, and roads become clogged because of accidents which in an area like the East Coast can cause massive delays. We have become so use to having everything at an instant that if something interrupts that, we don't adapt well. We need to remember that despite all the advances in technology, the fact is physics still applies to our world, and we still rely heavily on mechanical instruments, which do break down.

Then again, this journalist has to be dramatic to sell a story...
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Old 09-27-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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I have mixed feeling about the author's take on the situation. I think folks need to be a little more understanding sometimes that things just break down. Cars break down all the time, and roads become clogged because of accidents which in an area like the East Coast can cause massive delays. We have become so use to having everything at an instant that if something interrupts that, we don't adapt well. We need to remember that despite all the advances in technology, the fact is physics still applies to our world, and we still rely heavily on mechanical instruments, which do break down.

Then again, this journalist has to be dramatic to sell a story...
It's not just a one off article. This was a freaking huge deal.

https://www.google.com/search?q=metr...+north&tbm=nws
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Old 09-27-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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I caught them talking about it on the local news. People were using a combination of buses and the PATH train to reroute. Of course, that takes a good deal longer, so people are upset. Way I see it is this is like a bridge failure, like the one in Milwaukee. All of our transportation network desperately needs better maintenance. Though the Metro North thing might be a delayed consequence of Sandy.
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