Cincinnati metro area projected to overtake Cleveland in 2015 (Akron, Dayton: appointed, department store)

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by motorman

Tell me, my friend... Why do you continue to obfuscate the facts about Cincinnati's successes?

Obviously, economically-speaking, Cincinnati's no LA, NYC, or Chicago--but you've conveniently ignored the words "per capita." Now go back and try once again to discredit attributes that are transforming Cincinnati into Ohio's #1 city, $$-wise.

And whether right this second, Cincinnati's in the "middle of the 3-Cs" is understood--but what's also understood is that Cincinnati's will soon become the "top of the 3-Cs" while Columbus (following Cleveland) will remain "the bottom of the 3-Cs." Therefore it's understandable why you're objecting like you do. Continuing to be Ohio's #3 city isn't something anyone would wish to brag about--but please get over it, nevertheless.

Less than $10 billion separate "top" from "bottom". A city of the 3-Cs size can grow half that amount in a single year. You always think it's about bashing Cincinnati, but it's more about a discussion on perspective. Cincinnati won't magically become so far ahead of the other two as to be statistically very different. It's not going to suddenly be a $200 billion economy while the other 2 languish at half that. You're making a far bigger deal about it than it really is, and yes, Columbus will very likely pass you eventually anyway. Get over it.

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I think they matter more to smaller and mid-size cities than they do large ones that have other economic prospects. If P&G ever left Cincy, it would be a far larger negative there than it would be in say, Chicago or NYC.

That is likely very true. But as long as P&G meets their objectives here in Cincy, I don't see why they would want to move. And the City basically gives them everything they want on a silver platter. What more can you ask for?

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Less than $10 billion separate "top" from "bottom". A city of the 3-Cs size can grow half that amount in a single year. You always think it's about bashing Cincinnati, but it's more about a discussion on perspective. Cincinnati won't magically become so far ahead of the other two as to be statistically very different. It's not going to suddenly be a $200 billion economy while the other 2 languish at half that. You're making a far bigger deal about it than it really is, and yes, Columbus will very likely pass you eventually anyway. Get over it.

What measure are you using? There is several of them. Eg. If you use GDP. Indy has the larger economy than all the 3 c's

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

That is likely very true. But as long as P&G meets their objectives here in Cincy, I don't see why they would want to move. And the City basically gives them everything they want on a silver platter. What more can you ask for?

I don't see why they would move either, and clearly it's a net positive for Cincy to have them.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

What measure are you using? There is several of them. Eg. If you use GDP. Indy has the larger economy than all the 3 c's

GDP, yes. There are lots of cities that have larger economies than the 3-Cs.

[chet_kinkaid]

competiton makes cities better for people who live there..i love the competition between ohios cities and other cities in the region..when competition ends ..it will basically suck for all residents.occupy wall st people might disagree..but its obvious that competition brings out the best in all of us..when they give out trophies to the losers then you know we wont ever have anything interesting or unusual to entertain us..

[motorman]

Originally Posted by kjbrill

That is likely very true. But as long as P&G meets their objectives here in Cincy, I don't see why they would want to move. And the City basically gives them everything they want on a silver platter. What more can you ask for?

Agreed. For the foreseeable future, Cincinnati's consumer-products giant isn't going anywhere. But the disaster of CVG's downsizing overshadows everything and deeply affects all of Cincinnati's corporations from the largest to the smallest. The reasons why needn't be reiterated because they're already well known.

Right now, CVG may well be Cincinnati's biggest obstacle not only to holding on to businesses it has, but to attracting new businesses, both large and small. And, unfortunately, there's no panacea on the immediate horizon. With its 12,000-ft runways, this big, modern airport is still the finest in OH-IN-KY, but now it sits moribund and largely dormant. In 2005, CVG had 22.8 million passenger landings/departures, making it then busier than the airports of Dayton, Indy, Cleve, and Cbus combined. But not today. Delta's knee-capping of CVG has crippled the entire Cincinnati business community big time--including P&G.

[Man About Town]

What can CVG administration and Cincinnati-area political leaders do to remedy this situation? What can they to convince other airlines that CVG is worth their while? The airport may not return to the days when Delta hubbed there, but perhaps another airline there might be able to reverse some of the damage.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Less than $10 billion separate "top" from "bottom". A city of the 3-Cs size can grow half that amount in a single year. You always think it's about bashing Cincinnati, but it's more about a discussion on perspective. Cincinnati won't magically become so far ahead of the other two as to be statistically very different. It's not going to suddenly be a $200 billion economy while the other 2 languish at half that. You're making a far bigger deal about it than it really is, and yes, Columbus will very likely pass you eventually anyway. Get over it.

By now you've probably figured out that trying to insert Columbus into a Cincinnati thread concerning Cleveland only works to your disadvantage. (IE, as the Enquirer article already stated, Cbus is really a non-player)

Therefore, if you feel strongly otherwise, why not initiate a separate thread on the "Columbus forum" emphasizing why Cbus will inevitably become Ohio's dominant city, economically--along with the stipulation that there be no disagreements. Should be an interesting exchange.

[kjbrill]

I don't think P&G maintains that business corporate jet fleet at Lunken as just play toys. They can set their own schedule and fly people anywhere they need to go.

Some of the employees may not be too thrilled. I remember when the company I worked for chartered a plane at Lunken. None of us liked it due to the fact it made trips take longer, flying from city to city letting off and picking people up. By the time you got to your actual destination it could eat up most of the day. But you had to pack the plane to capacity to make its cost worthwhile.

Sure the convenience of CVG is gone relative to direct flights everywhere. But Pre-Delta hub days, businesses did just fine flying out of CVG. With the U.S. Air - American merger let's see just how long Charlotte maintains its hub status. Someone wins and someone loses. I would bet on the actual East Coast locations as that is where the passenger traffic both originates and terminates.

The whole mess has not settled down yet, and may not for some time. Atlanta has problems due to too much traffic. Has anyone flown through there recently - like having a tooth pulled.

Everyone laments how CVG is holding down Cincinnti. The actual fact is Cincinnati is holding down CVG as not enough passengers actually originate flights out of or to Cincinnati. Yes CVG needs a plan to discourage people from going to Louisville, Indianapolis, Dayton, or Columbus in search of cheaper flights. But let's face it, the majority of these are recreational fliers taking what, one or two flights a year? You can't run an airport on these.

Look at the actual statistics for airport passenger flights for cities the same relative size of Cincinnati. Other than a few remaining hubs, you will find CVG holds up quite well.