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Old 04-02-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Mason, OH
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I have a relative, husband of my niece, who accepted a transfer from Ford Sharonville to Detroit about two years ago. He was reluctant to do so as he was the 3rd generation of his family to work at Sharonville. He was a production supervisor. Some senior management at Sharonville advised him to gain any promotion he should consider Detroit.

So what has he been doing in Detroit? He is part of a team planning Ford production facility closings in the Detroit area. Not just closing, but demolition. Until it is a bare brownfield, the taxes on the facility are not relinquished. He has been offered a Plant Manager position, but since the plant is in China he turned it down.

They bought a very nice house in the Detroit area on a golf course, at a price far below equivalent property in Cincinnati. The drop in value of this house was astounding, so yes they decided to take a chance and buy it. He is hoping to hang in there until an offer not including moving to China comes along. But when I hear him speak of the plant closing projects in Michigan he is involved in, I still feel it is a disaster.

Ford came through the foray better than the other 2 of the original Big-3. At the same time they are closing facilities in Michigan they are building a brand new F-150 truck engine plant in Lima, Ohio, which will be their largest engine production facility.

I totally agree the job market for engineers is poor in the Cincinnati area. At one time it was rich. The demise of the US machine tool industry was the demise of the engineering jobs in Cincinnati.

But I put the demise of the machine tool industry in the US squarely in the hands of the government. I got to witness some of this first-hand. In the US, if competitors even discussed a development project which could benefit both, out came the anti-monopoly flags. Companies could be prosecuted for even discussing such things.

Then the company I worked for (LeBlond in Norwood) was purchased by a Japanese firm (Makino, established in 1937). You might want to compare that founding date with the start of WWII, some coincidence there?

I went on several trips to Japan, the purpose of which was to discuss how to penetrate the US market. I was introduced to MITI, the Japanese government's Ministry of International Trade and Industry. Many of our discussions went well into the night. As a born and bred US Citizen from solid old Cincinnati, I was queried as to how a typical US citizen might react to a given advertising slogan, its meaning and inference.

It was through these meetings I realized MITI was the driving force behind Japanese industry. They handed out the government grants for product development and decided which competitors would attack what segment of the US business. Here we have a cohesive, government sponsored attack, against an anti-monopoly US position. Guess who won? I am sure the automotive industry had the same MITI involvement.

My second revelation was my exposure to business in Germany. Germany has strict rules as to how you can divest, layoff, whatever an employee. It can cost your a great deal to divest of an employee. They also have strict government rules as to length of work day, work week, etc. The penalties for exceeding this are severe. They are all designed to keep work hours at a limit you have to employ more people to keep productivity up. In other words, it is a government sponsored jobs creation project. They have done this for many years and it is to their credit their productivity remains among the world's best.

My point is this, two of the world's strongest economies, Japan and Germany, are based on Socialist principles. They can disguise them, but they are still Socialist principles.
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:05 AM
 
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There are good companies and bad out there. I wish more companies would ascribe to the William Edwards Deming model in this country. Not sure if any in Cincinnati do. If so, those are the companies to contact for employment first.

Where is the "Northern Hinterlands" located? Cleveland or the north side of the Cincinnati metro area?
No - not cleveland, Lebanon/Westchester/Liberty Twp. There are a good bit of "now hiring" signs out at some of the industrial businesses around Westchester/Fairfield(?)/Springdale. At first I thought it was just the landscaping businesses (which would make sense), but I've seen some on some businesses that don't appear to be seasonal (or at least not by their name could I tell they were seasonal). Hopefully it implies a stronger hiring period this year.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:03 PM
 
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No - not cleveland, Lebanon/Westchester/Liberty Twp. There are a good bit of "now hiring" signs out at some of the industrial businesses around Westchester/Fairfield(?)/Springdale. At first I thought it was just the landscaping businesses (which would make sense), but I've seen some on some businesses that don't appear to be seasonal (or at least not by their name could I tell they were seasonal). Hopefully it implies a stronger hiring period this year.
Nice to see this. Recently my paychecks here in Indy have shrunk thanks to a loss in business at my current employer. I may have to hasten my move to Cincinnati if this trend continues. At least the economy really is on the upswing there and I don't think it will take very long to find a new job.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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Quick question. I just spoke to my brother in Indianapolis and he said that trying to find a job here is virtually impossible unless you are related to someone or know someone. Nepotism reigns supreme.

I really don't know anyone in the Cincinnati area and I am wondering if this is going to be an impediment to finding even an entry level job in the Cincinnati area?
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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If he has the talent he would get the job.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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If he has the talent he would get the job.
Well, he's got formal training in nuclear physics and possesses an IQ of 183. He's also worked as a driver for Fedex and for Office Max for 20 years. Funny thing here in Indy. Even though he was highly recommended by Office Max in Phoenix, the Indy office did not hire him. Fedex did because he transferred.

Based upon what I am seeing in the work place in Indy, total incompetents keep their jobs while good people go begging.
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:24 AM
 
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fortunatley my only employment experience in Cincy is with my current employer - so I don't have a great pulse on trends in general in the region.

I will say within my own facility - as often as possible, people gravitate towards people they already know from other (past) jobs.

My husband has also seen that within his company.

I know P&G is rumored to prefer to promote from within, rather than seeking externally.

So to me, anecdotally, I would say connections are a good thing to have in this area.

Though I had very few connections when I got this position (literally, from an industry-specific job fair) - but the compay was brand new at that time, and the "local connections" preference has solidified in the subsequent 5+ years.

but - this is all anecdotal and just my experience. I'm sure others have likely had different experiences in the region.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Quick question. I just spoke to my brother in Indianapolis and he said that trying to find a job here is virtually impossible unless you are related to someone or know someone. Nepotism reigns supreme.

I really don't know anyone in the Cincinnati area and I am wondering if this is going to be an impediment to finding even an entry level job in the Cincinnati area?
WILW, I can't generalize but can only relate my own experiences. I moved to Cincinnati in 1986 to take an entry level job with a company where I had no contacts. Lots of other people were recruited by that same company from out of the area. After five years I quit and left town, and then in 1994 interviewed for and took another Cincinnati job and moved back. Again, I had no contacts with the company that hired me. Both are conservative, old-line Cincinnati companies in business 100+ years.

I still work for company #2, and we hire unrelated people with no apparent ties to our employees all the time. I myself have scanned applications and recommended hire of about a dozen people for my department over the years. None of them was related to or had contacts with others here that I know of - at least it did not come up in the hire process.
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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^^^Thanks Scott. This is helpful info.

About 15 years ago I had the opportunity to go to work for one company downtown (bank) and then couple of years later a courier company in the city. Even though I did not know anyone that proved not to be a problem. Though I did not accept either job at the time (had nothing to do with either company or the city itself) due to some problems that had cropped up while I was still living in Kansas City, I wanted to be sure that the culture or environment that currently exists for job hunters had not changed much. I don't always think it is a wise idea to hire someone simply because you know them. Better to find someone that has the skills or qualifications for a position. That was always my philosophy when I worked in retail and fast food management and had to hire people.

Work in Indy has been slow for a few months. Once and hopefully if I get this issue with the break in at my house resolved, I can work on getting down there to start looking for a job. Most likely I will be looking in earnest for another house soon though since I need to minimize future problems with neighbors.
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