06-08-2014, 09:53 AM
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Life is too short to compromise on beer..enjoy the best.The micro brews are really an improvement over the standard american mass produced beers..but not quite the level of german beer yet.I am curious to know if the beers like burger etc are the same recipes used when the beers were popular.It seems like the beer shelves at the stores are 90% budlight,miller lite,coors lite and bud/miller/coors lime/apple shandy crap.And the big companies have usurped the micro brews with ****e like fat tire and fake micro brews..sometimes i wish i lived in germany just for the beer.
I'm like you...I vastly prefer a fresh, German pils to any of these hoppy, fruity ales that the craft brewers are making. However, you and I are out of step with the current fad. I was talking to one of the brewmasters from Rheingeist and I asked him why they don't brew a traditional lager. He admitted to the difficulty in brewing such beers, but he also said they don't sell. Current tastes lean toward these "chewier" beers, as I sometimes call them.
Few of the beers that are produced under the names of Burger, Hudepohl, or even Moerlein are produced under the same recipe as the originals. Greg Hardman owns most of the recipes, if they are still known, but he stops short of saying that any are an exact recreation of a particular brand. If anything, I've heard him say that he has upgraded some of the ingredients in many of the beers. In some cases, he has said the beers are based on those old recipes, but honestly who is around to know for sure? They say that even the Coke of today is different from the one of 70 years ago, and not just because it's sweetened with corn syrup.
Jim Koch, founder of Sam Adams, says that the recipe for the flagship brand is based on a recipe he found among his family's papers, and may be an od pre-Prohibition brand. I've never heard Koch say (or admit) what that brand would have been.
In Burger's case, they used to advertise that it was brewed with "artesian waters", which I have heard was drawn from wells right under the brewery downtown. Frankly, you have to wonder what was in that water, and what that may have imparted on the taste of the beer.
06-08-2014, 10:04 AM
Location: Mason, OH
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Rivertown is kind of like Madtree, another place you might drive by 100 times and not notice. I like their taproom, though. It has the feeling of sitting in somebody's garage, door raised up, and enjoying a good beer. The tables are old cable spools and the bar is made from corrugated metal.
Sounds like a high class operation. Just kidding, if they want to keep their decor let's say rustic, fine with me. I sometimes wonder though about the level of sanitation involved. And here I am talking only about the brewing equipment. Just what facilities do they have to clean out the brewing equipment between batches? That's of more significance to me than the decor.
06-08-2014, 11:11 AM
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^^^ Well, I know from brewing myself, if you're not clean, your beer won't just be a little off, it'll be way off. Rivertown (and the other brewers in town) turn out consistently high-quality products, and sanitation is beyond meticulous in successful brewing operations. Until I crack open a beer and get that unmistakable bacteria wang of a dirty beer, I'm going to know their cleaning habits are up-to-snuff.
In other words, the proof of the beer's in the drinking. 8-)
06-08-2014, 04:41 PM
Location: Mason, OH
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^^^ Well, I know from brewing myself, if you're not clean, your beer won't just be a little off, it'll be way off. Rivertown (and the other brewers in town) turn out consistently high-quality products, and sanitation is beyond meticulous in successful brewing operations. Until I crack open a beer and get that unmistakable bacteria wang of a dirty beer, I'm going to know their cleaning habits are up-to-snuff.
In other words, the proof of the beer's in the drinking. 8-)
So you are saying if the environment is not right you will get skunk beer.
From those who have participated in this thread I would say the brewpubs and small batch breweries in Cincinnati are doing quite well. That is good for the City as a whole. Many options to select from.
06-09-2014, 06:59 AM
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^^^ If every last thing that comes in contact with the beer (well, the wort at that stage) isn't sterilized, it'll be more than skunked. That bacteria growth can taste positively awful.
Of course, you could just swap out labels and call it a farmhouse sour and pretend you did it on purpose.
06-09-2014, 10:34 AM
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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I have not found a beer from Rhinegeist that I haven't enjoyed...bravo to those guys...
50West Brewing also has some really good brews.
Rivertown's Roebling Porter is amazing as well
Mt Carmel is the only one I've not really liked much from so far.
06-09-2014, 11:51 AM
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I encountered some good brewpubs in Minneapolis while traveling on business there. One was quite large and located on a suburban square surrounded by motels catering to businessmen. They definitely got the motel crowd's business, and had very good food in addition to the beer. I ate there every night during my stay in the area. They rotated their food specialties and served up good beer, why go anyplace else?
Do any of the brewpubs in Cincy offer up anything enticing in the eats area?
06-09-2014, 12:54 PM
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^^^ Rhinegeist is steps from Findlay, so that counts in my book. Plus, they have a couple of restaurant numbers up on the board and you can call, order, and they'll deliver your food.
Another thing I like about Rhinegeist; I've been in there when there's been potluck-style food out. I don't know who sets it up or why, but it lent a real community feel to the place.
Moerlein's taproom features a "frankfurtery" - I don't know the hours or how well that's working out.
When I've been to Rivertown and Madtree, there's always been a food truck of some sort outside, but I don't know how dependable that is.
Personally, I prefer the focus to remain on the beer. I'd hate to see these places turn into glorified restaurants. If I want that, I can just go to that behemoth Lagerhouse.
06-09-2014, 12:58 PM
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I encountered some good brewpubs in Minneapolis while traveling on business there. One was quite large and located on a suburban square surrounded by motels catering to businessmen. They definitely got the motel crowd's business, and had very good food in addition to the beer. I ate there every night during my stay in the area. They rotated their food specialties and served up good beer, why go anyplace else?
Do any of the brewpubs in Cincy offer up anything enticing in the eats area?
Some of the local breweries serve food at the site of the brewery. In addition, just about every bar and grill in the city has a good selection of local beers on tap. This is very different than 10 years ago when most restaurants just had Bud, Miller, and/or Coors products.
Some people love the food at 50 West, but it is not really my bag. It is tapas style, so it can be a nice snack but I would not want to eat a full meal there.
Madtree isn't really a brewpub, because they only serve beer. However, they have food trucks (mexican, mediterranean, etc) show up most nights (not sure about weeknights) and some of the food is really great.
Moerlein lager house has pretty good food, although it can get pricey. I hosted a bachelor party dinner for a friend there and dropped around $180 for just myself and the groom, although over half was drinks.
I think the Hoffbrauhaus in Newport provided the template for what a brewpub in Cincinnati can look like to some extent. I remember when they first opened, and the local beer scene has come such a long way since then. Their June beer of the month is a Marzen, which is one of my favorite styles. I make sure I get to have a few every summer.
There are quite a few beer festivals throughout the year, with highlights being Beerfest, Bockfest, and Brew Ha ha, and the food selection is usually fantastic. It is almost a good thing that all my favorite beers and my favorite foods are not under one roof, or else I would be broke and 300 lbs.
06-09-2014, 07:49 PM
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Moerlein lager house has pretty good food, although it can get pricey. I hosted a bachelor party dinner for a friend there and dropped around $180 for just myself and the groom, although over half was drinks.
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I really like the food at the Moerlein Lager House too. My favorite thing is the OTR Chicken with spatzle and mushrooms on the side. Their crab cakes are really good, too. Then again, I haven't had anything there that I didn't think was pretty decent. Their sausages are made by Avril's on Court Street, so it's nice to have locally sourced items, too. The one thing though, that I have never figured out with the Lager House is what the theme of the menu is supposed to be? There are so many items of so many different styles and cuisines. I really don't know what they are trying to be. I thought it was supposed to be Cincinnati-inspired recipes, with a slightly German flair. But with everything from baby back ribs, to tofu, to Hawaiian flat bread, to fish tacos, to Cuban sandwich, back to pork belly, I just don't get it.
The only other brew pub that you didn't mention that is supposed to have food as a central focus is the Taft's Ale House:
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People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)