Gangs in Cincinnati (Columbus, Cleveland, Jackson: public schools, gated, taxes)

[jstn]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

I'd live in STL, Cleveland, Baltimore, KC, and Philly in a HEARTBEAT without a bit of worry in regards to crime.

I agree...and I'd add Atlanta to that list as well.

[Hartwell Girl]

"hartwell girl, me being from the city allows me to be honest and as credible as you can be as an anonymous blogger concerning experiencing far below-substandard housing, healthcare, living conditions, schools, a lack of political and social power as well as surviving the epidemic that is the young black male in cincinnati. i defend the city all the time, but crime is not one of those issues. you say it's not that bad and i should stop bashing the city. i say it is that bad and the proof is evident. now tell me, who's attempting to muzzle and who's not?"

I am not trying to muzzle anyone Hillside, and dont try to make it seem that way. But I wont sit back and do nothing when I dont agree with something. If there are gangs, please let me know where, what are they calling themselves? I would LOVE to tell the police.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by jstn

I agree...and I'd add Atlanta to that list as well.

Well, I wouldn't worry about crime while living in the ATL ... I just want to live there.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Hartwell Girl

"hartwell girl, me being from the city allows me to be honest and as credible as you can be as an anonymous blogger concerning experiencing far below-substandard housing, healthcare, living conditions, schools, a lack of political and social power as well as surviving the epidemic that is the young black male in cincinnati. i defend the city all the time, but crime is not one of those issues. you say it's not that bad and i should stop bashing the city. i say it is that bad and the proof is evident. now tell me, who's attempting to muzzle and who's not?"

I am not trying to muzzle anyone Hillside, and dont try to make it seem that way. But I wont sit back and do nothing when I dont agree with something. If there are gangs, please let me know where, what are they calling themselves? I would LOVE to tell the police.

sorry, i'm not helping you tell on people. the police make good money. let them do their job. they aren't going into your job and doing it for you (which is what snitching is), helping you keep your job despite not actually applying your own knowledge, and consequently earning you raises and promotions. snitching perpetuates a broken system from the radio car to the courtroom on to the jail cell and back on the street.

and once again cincy-rise, just because you wouldn't worry doesn't mean everybody is required to feel like you. you're not the sun.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

and once again cincy-rise, just because you wouldn't worry doesn't mean everybody is required to feel like you. you're not the sun.

Oh, I wasn't "requiring" everyone to feel like I do. I was just stating an opinion and that is that I wouldn't in the least bit feel "scared" to move to the cities I mentioned above.

[jstn]

Originally Posted by hillside

sorry, i'm not helping you tell on people. the police make good money. let them do their job. they aren't going into your job and doing it for you (which is what snitching is), helping you keep your job despite not actually applying your own knowledge, and consequently earning you raises and promotions. snitching perpetuates a broken system from the radio car to the courtroom on to the jail cell and back on the street.

Unfortunately too many of us have this US against the police attitude. It's not about the police and their "promotions" nor is it about their pay. Do people not volunteer their services all the time to our schools? What about our hospitals? What about homeless shelters? Perhaps, using this theory we should all step away and allow the doctors, the teachers, and social workers to do their jobs. If they can't get it done without our help, then that's their problem? Right? Ridiculous!

Seriously, it's not about helping the police....it's about cleaning up our communities. Hillside, I'll say that I do agree with some of what you say on these forums, however I also think that your attitude towards those that want improvement is pretty sour. You're very quick to point out all the negatives of the community, yet even quicker to dispute any form positivity. Even in the rougher areas of Cincy (as in any city) there are more good people than bad people. These people need to band together and demand a change-for the good. Not hide behind their deadbolts and knowledge of the truth. A community that sits on the truth will always be a slave to the criminals.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by jstn

Unfortunately too many of us have this US against the police attitude. It's not about the police and their "promotions" nor is it about their pay. Do people not volunteer their services all the time to our schools? What about our hospitals? What about homeless shelters? Perhaps, using this theory we should all step away and allow the doctors, the teachers, and social workers to do their jobs. If they can't get it done without our help, then that's their problem? Right? Ridiculous!

Seriously, it's not about helping the police....it's about cleaning up our communities. Hillside, I'll say that I do agree with some of what you say on these forums, however I also think that your attitude towards those that want improvement is pretty sour. You're very quick to point out all the negatives of the community, yet even quicker to dispute any form positivity. Even in the rougher areas of Cincy (as in any city) there are more good people than bad people. These people need to band together and demand a change-for the good. Not hide behind their deadbolts and knowledge of the truth. A community that sits on the truth will always be a slave to the criminals.

i said nothing of the people in the slums. i'm one of those people, and i couldn't agree more about the good people there. i have a philosophical disagreement with snitching. cpd in particular, have some of the worst community relations around. i have a friend at the first 48 reality show and he even shares with me how poorly the cops treat the people that have lost loved ones with all of their pressure to snitch. they don't follow up with families well at all. for the majority of cpd, a case is a case that needs to go black. in the ghetto, cpd doesn't have friends because they don't make friends; in fact they make enemies with their brutal bulldog tactics and by blaming the community as if they are required to feel comfortable informing them. cpd is one of the worst departments in the country, period.

how testimony works in the court is not fair either. you can go to jail for life over an informant that's less credible than you. an addict with a sheet longer than the ohio revised code can take the stand against their old dealer, your state lawyer knows NOTHING including your name as you're walking before the judge, and the sentencing in the court system isn't fair at all based on the crime or race. filling up jails doesn't solve the problem, and if you're an enemy of the police, you may not make it out of the prison. my uncle certainly didn't this year. he "hung" himself, but there's no evidence to support it.

when you snitch, you don't gain power, you lose it. you may or may not be ostracized in your community, but if cases are falling due to tips and testimony, the police appear to be doing more than they really are. pressure is taken off of them to clean up their act and perform as a good police should, and they can go back to doing what they want to do because as long as the stats appear to improve, the perception is that police are doing their job and they win latitude at city hall, where we, ordinary cincinnatians, hold a teeny bit of power. personally, i feel bad for the families of the people that get told on. when you tell on someone, you don't know the intricacies of the situation between the assaulted and the assailant or the person's willingness to sell drugs.

btw, our educational, medical and social services are just as broken as the justice system.

i love the city, but it leaves a lot to be desired.

[Hartwell Girl]

You expect the police to work miracles like mind readers? This is reality Hillside, they (the police) are regular people doing a job to keep our city streets safe. People who think "snitching" is a bad thing can pack up and move for all I care for they are worthless to this City. And for the innocent people who have died and still have unsolved cases, I pray for their families that someone will wake up one day and do the right thing before someone else dies needlessly.
As for our educational system being broken..its because many CPS parents are more worried about their social lives than their childrens. I volunteer at a CPS school and I dont even have a child there.
As for the medical services...a job provides medical insurance.
As for social services...are you kidding me? Hamilton County has as many if not more agencies than many other counties in the state and the City (the same City you continue to bash) has a budget for services which many other Cities let their Counties address.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Hartwell Girl

You expect the police to work miracles like mind readers? This is reality Hillside, they (the police) are regular people doing a job to keep our city streets safe. People who think "snitching" is a bad thing can pack up and move for all I care for they are worthless to this City. And for the innocent people who have died and still have unsolved cases, I pray for their families that someone will wake up one day and do the right thing before someone else dies needlessly.
As for our educational system being broken..its because many CPS parents are more worried about their social lives than their childrens. I volunteer at a CPS school and I dont even have a child there.
As for the medical services...a job provides medical insurance.
As for social services...are you kidding me? Hamilton County has as many if not more agencies than many other counties in the state and the City (the same City you continue to bash) has a budget for services which many other Cities let their Counties address.

cincinnati police are one of the worst departments out there. if they weren't, the fbi still wouldn't have them under investigation from 2001. it's 2008.

if cincinnati is such a utopia, why isn't the city on the level of boston and san fran...atlanta and dallas? in reality, it's right there scuffling with detroit, cleveland and st. louis. dramatic population losses due to crime, a lack of decent paying jobs for the uneducated and not-college educated, and terrible schools. classic rust belt symptoms for a classic rust belt city.

a job is the answer to insurance? you haven't been following the campaign have you?

ask milton dohoney about our fiscal situation and how a third of the city's social services are located in the downtown slum. while you're at it, ask him about his plan to close ten health clinics and most all city pools until mallory stepped in. cincinnati is poor, hartwell girl. i'm tired of this honestly, so if you choose to believe it's all well and good in cincinnati, go right ahead but leave me out of it.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

cincinnati police are one of the worst departments out there.

Where is your proof that the CPD is "one of the worst out there"?

if cincinnati is such a utopia, why isn't the city on the level of boston and san fran...atlanta and dallas?

ATL, Dallas ... bleh. Boston, San Fran ... very, very, very few cities are on their "level".

in reality, it's right there scuffling with detroit, cleveland and st. louis. dramatic population losses due to crime, a lack of decent paying jobs for the uneducated and not-college educated, and terrible schools. classic rust belt symptoms for a classic rust belt city.

Detroit ... uh, no.

STL, Cleveland ... I'd be proud to rank with these amazing urban utopias.

STL and Cincy both after proving population increases won in favor of growth.


It's our diversified job market that has caused such a stable housing market. Not the opposite. lol

ask milton dohoney about our fiscal situation and how a third of the city's social services are located in the downtown slum.

What major city's slums are out in the burbs? And if OTR is our major slum, then I think we're doing fairly well so far.

while you're at it, ask him about his plan to close ten health clinics and most all city pools until mallory stepped in. cincinnati is poor, hartwell girl.

The pools aren't closing, so what's your point and if they were that's another chalk up for a declining city? Hmmm ...

i'm tired of this honestly, so if you choose to believe it's all well and good in cincinnati, go right ahead but leave me out of it.

No one is asking you to stay in it.