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Originally Posted by hillside
cincy rise, please!
cincinnati is the 3rd poorest city in the nation at 28 percent.
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Really?
10 Poorest Places Over 250,000 (% in poverty)
1. Detroit, MI (33.6)
2. El Paso, TX (28.8)
3. Miami, FL (28.3)
4. Newark, NJ (28.1)
5. Atlanta, GA (27.8)
6. Long Beach, CA (26.4)
7. Milwaukee, WI (26.0)
8. Buffalo, NY (25.9)
9. Philadephia, PA (24.9)
10. Memphis, TN (24.6)
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54% of cincinnati is within 200% of the federal poverty line, which is their self-proclaimed best indicator of economic struggle from an income standpoint.
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Ha! Try 25% (and the region is at 12%) ... you're on a role here! (and by poverty, they mean below the national avg. which is around 32K ... it must be hard ...
Also, you failed to note that the margin of error for this stat with Cincy is 2.4% ... in other words, we could be 15th to be realistic.
ONN, Ohio News Now - Cleveland, Cincinnati In Top Five For Poverty Rankings
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minority population is increasing because majority population is leaving (see 1970's white flight for an example)
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Wrong again (and by the way ... doesn't make sense???)
The City is growing.
The County is growing.
The Metro is growing.
Minority pop. is growing.
The City of Cincinnati successfully challenged its 2005 estimate of 308,728 (a loss of 22,557 people since Census 2000) to 331,310 (a gain of 25 people since Cen-sus 2000). The City’s growth was due to a large amount of conversions of older build-ings from various uses to single-family or multi-family residential units.
http://www.hamiltoncountyohio.gov/hc...asp?FileID=122
Are there any of these that you want to see proof of? Let me know if you're challenging any of these!
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queensgate and the west end will never be the east end cliffside condos...its too much of an industrial area, close to a highway. those condos on the east end are along quiet columbia parkway.
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If you remember the bombed out, molded, abandoned, victorians that were filled with Appellations ... then you remember folks saying the same thing about the East End. What has happened since then?
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you're waiting on the banks?? how many years in the making?
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I won't argue with you here, but regardless when this does happen ... this will just be icing on the cake!
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hamilton county's population is shrinking due to crime, high taxes, poor politics and pathetic schools.
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LOL! Wrong again!
... on a role today, buddy!
http://www.hamiltoncountyohio.gov/hc...asp?FileID=122
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we don't have real public transport.
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Amen to that!
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streetcars downtown don't get someone in winton place to price hill. or someone in pleasant ridge to mt.airy.
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If this was their intention, I'd be on the same page with you! .......... but it isn't. Oops! It's to get people from DT to Uptown, which it will.
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its a small step, but not a comprehensive step toward real regionwide transportation. heck, our citywide bus system is a joke. Rode it all the time growing up. frequently VERY late. frequently not showing up at all.
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Can I ask you how long it's been since you lived in Cincy, because my wife also takes the METRO ... just asking, but hey if this is the least of our worries, we are doing fantastic!
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we need light rail and heavy rail. rail to dayton, hamilton and warren county. rail throughout the city. streetcars don't cut it.
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Recapitulate. See above.
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if i don't live uptown (particularly clifton, not even avondale really) or downtown, streetcars are of no consequence.
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Recapitulate. See above.
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what is the gem, the neighborhood or the people?
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Architecture and neighborhood.
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the PEOPLE of cincinnati are struggling.
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Crime is down, income is steadily rising, the unemployment rate just dipped below the national average and we have one of the best housing markets in the country ... what exactly are we struggling with? ... and two, if we're struggling so bad, wouldn't people move away instead of moving here?
America's Most Stable Housing Markets - Forbes.com
Cincinnati was also ranked 18th best city in the US for young professionals ...
Best Cities For Young Professionals - Forbes.com
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cincinnati has a 3rd world infant mortality rate (check recent enquirer articles)
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lol! ... yeah, I'm going to have to request an article for this comment.
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a huge homelessness problem (no secret)
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Homelessness is a problem in itself, that's like me stating we have a crime problem. You see?
See "poverty stats" above.
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a sagging service and non-white collar economy (nothing new to ohio; it's what most cincinnatians depend on)
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Actually, Cincinnati is a Financial Center. See # of F500 Co's and Airport traffic. Those I just listed ain't because of the AK Steel plant!
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could you at least wait a year to see if a decrease in crime could possibly be a trend, or just an abberation due to the HEAVY police AND deputy presence in district 1 in 2007
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Crime has been declining in every major area for the past 3 years? I don't understand?
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crime goes down only to jump back up, partner....its a fluctuation. you gotta be joking if you think otr is saved after being a slum for 60 years
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See above. Actually, your statement about OTR is in favor of my argument, because the first thing that I think of is it's been in decline for so many years, it's not going to turn around overnight.
... BUT ... it is turning around faster than anyone would have ever imagined 10 years ago. Do you really disagree?
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downtown cincinnati was chronicled by FDR in 1938 specifically in regards to cincinnati cleaning up its act in over the rhine, the west end, the bottoms and other such demolished slums.
its 2008 and we're still talking about it
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DT Cincinnati has become one of the best success stories in the state of OH. Instead of complaining about businesses shutting down, we're now complaining about where they put the Fountain.
If you aren't aware of this, the time you've spent away from the queen city really shows.
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you really think the money is gonna roll down the hill to the poor of cincinnati? that condos and downtown living is gonna make this city turn into the seattle of crime and the minneapolis of economic stability? what city have YOU been living in...
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Like UncleRando has stated, OTR once house 40,000 residents ... even though the area is quickly becoming middle-class and housing market-rate housing (which no one should complain about ... at least if they're in their right mind) ... there is still room left. Plenty of it.
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philadelphia has attractive downtown living and a HUGE downtown population at 100,000.
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Whenever you work with statistics like this ... you must always ask the first and most important question and that is ... what square milage are they using? How does it compare it Cincy's? Cincy's is at 0.8 ... I'll leave the rest up to you.
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has it stopped crime and poverty in that city? last i checked it had a murder rate around the same as cincinnati in 2006 and a very high poverty rate.
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2nd of all ... Philly's murder rate increased, ours decreased. Philly had over 400 murders in '06, by the way ... so um, yeah ... I'm just going to leave this one alone (btw, half of those are still unsolved
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i'm glad you're excited about cincinnati making some moves and so am i but i cant call this city saved until i see the schools in actual working order.
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The school system needs a lot of work, but the fact is ... every major metro's public school system lags the private sector, so you'll have to move to another country first!
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a more racially even city council and county commission for a 50 percent black city.
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The city's pop. is about half, the city votes. The city elected a black mayor (which is doing a FANTASTIC job!!! Kudos to Mallory) ... the council was voted by a city that is half black. 2+2=4 ... you vote for the best, not because of one's race. That's bigoted and racist.
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a new sheriff, as the one we have has been a P.R. nightmare for years, as well as being another good ol boy in the cincinnati ring.
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I completely agree!
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this city needs direction.
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See post @ 9:44 PM on 1/29/07 ... lol.
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are we gonna get an nba team?
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Is Milwaukee going to land an NFL team, probably not because that city sucks.
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are we gonna build a transportation system with light rail?
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God, I hope so. I'm right there with ya brother!
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are we gonna get rid of the silly enclaves in cincinnati and make them the city proper?
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Amen on that!
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we have an unfinished subway due to corruption.
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Buzz! Wrong again. You can thank this thing that happened a long time ago ... it was called the umm ... oh yeah, "Great Depression". Also, the birth of the interstate system and GM!
The difference between you and me, Hillside:
I use links - you don't
I
live in the city, right next door to OTR - You
lived in Bond Hill (God knows how long ago).
I used up-to-date stats - you use old ones
I argue from a factual perspective - You argue from a personal one
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Everything you say is right on point.
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HWilliams77, actually he wasn't. As you can see from links, in almost 99% of his statements were untrue or old.
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osters like Cincy-Rise are always trying to stick up for Cincinnati
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I don't have to try to do anything. I post facts, you either love em or hate em.
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...and they think they know what it's like for african americans living in Cincinnati or the surronding area, but they have no idea.
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Who on here has stated (that is white of course) that they "know" what it's like to be an African American. I'm the minority in my area. Agreed?
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I don't care how many black friends they have...they don't know what it means to be black and live in this area.
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You're right, I don't. See above.
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So, I definitely appreciate all your comments to straighten out the real deal for the black people moving into the area.
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You have just encourage false information, whether it was intentional or un-intentional ... it's wrong, because there are people that come on here to get real info on the area. You guys should feel ashamed of yourselves. Just tell the truth. Use real and up-to-date data.
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Just FYI - I am a young african american woman who just moved here with my family from Chicago. Cincy is OK so far, but it would be tons better if they had better public transportation like a train system.
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Chicagoland is one of the most segregated cities in the midwest, but you are welcome here with open arms.
This thread is about data and facts, not subjective racial insinuations that could or could not be correct.
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hillside I TOTALLY agree with you!
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