Is Cincinnati really dangerous? No. (to live, license, estimated)

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Just to add some facts in this argument. Especially for OhioUberAlles.

Cincinnatis crime rate has been going down almost steadily since 2001, the year of the riots.

That riot happened once, and how many other riots like that happened in Cincinnati in the last 30 years? Cincinnati also wasnt the only city where race riots happened in the 21st century, even Toledo had some degree of race riots a few years back.

This year Cincinnati was ranked as the 28th most dangerous city: http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
The Cincinnati Metros crime rate is actually below the national average: http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/Metr...8_Rank_Rev.pdf

Cincinnati is also a majority-white city. It was 53% and the new estimates say around 51%. The Cincinnati Metro also has one of the highest white percentages of all the large metros (near 90%). I have to find the link again, but I believe it was top 3 out of 40-something.

If you look at the riots in Cleveland in the 1960s, one of their main accomplishments was to quicken White flight, to the point where today Cleveland has about 50% of the population it had in the 1960s, with less than 35% of that population being White. People in Cleveland wonder why their city is hurting for money. The riots basically drove out the great majority of the Whites, along with most Blacks who were able to afford to leave.

Something similar will probably happen to Cincinnati. Heck, it seems to be ongoing right now.

As more people leave, crime should go down, there are less people, less targets, less people to attack, etc. Crime has been going down in Detroit (in regards to theft), which a few weeks ago prompted one law enforcement official to cynically comment, it is because there is nothing left to steal. Crime in the suburbs around Detroit has been steadily rising because Detroit has is fast becoming bone dry in terms of juicy theft targets.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

Something similar will probably happen to Cincinnati. Heck, it seems to be ongoing right now.

Oh .... so close, but the city is gaining in population.

[Hartwell Girl]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

While we're at it, Cleveland should be forcibly expelled from Ohio and it should become the southern-most part of Ontario.

Cincinnati should be expelled from the Union and become the northern-most part of Cuba. Cincinnati folks would probably be happier with Castro as their leader.

Not funny at all.

[Humlermw]

Is this OhioUberAlles guy serious. Yes because some of the city's black population rioted means all the blacks in this city hate whites. Right? Oh yea I'd sure take that kind of evidence to court you'd be sure to win. (Insert sarcasm here)

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Humlermw

Is this OhioUberAlles guy serious. Yes because some of the city's black population rioted means all the blacks in this city hate whites. Right? Oh yea I'd sure take that kind of evidence to court you'd be sure to win. (Insert sarcasm here)

I didn't say that, but it does raise the issue of betrayal of trust and community leadership. What did the leadership of the black community do in Cincinnati? Did they condemn the rioters and the violence they perpetrated? No... They elected to groan and moan about the evil white man.

Like it or not, if 500-1000 blacks take to the streets and beat the crap out of their white neighbors, while black community leaders either say nothing, or shout about how evil the white man is and how rotten the police are, people are going to interpret the actions of that group as representative of the whole. It may be right, it may be wrong, I'm not going to make a judgement on it at this time, but I will say, that is how it will wind up being. That is the way things go down.

[Humlermw]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

I didn't say that, but it does raise the issue of betrayal of trust and community leadership. What did the leadership of the black community do in Cincinnati? Did they condemn the rioters and the violence they perpetrated? No... They elected to groan and moan about the evil white man.

Like it or not, if 500-1000 blacks take to the streets and beat the crap out of their white neighbors, while black community leaders either say nothing, or shout about how evil the white man is and how rotten the police are, people are going to interpret the actions of that group as representative of the whole. It may be right, it may be wrong, I'm not going to make a judgement on it at this time, but I will say, that is how it will wind up being. That is the way things go down.

Yes the riot was stupid and yes there are racist blacks as well as whites. My issue with you is that you seemed to be painting the entire black community as somehow involved in some anti-white conspiracy. Why does the concept of black community leaders even exist. Who are the white community leaders? These are ancient and outdated terms because there really is no black community and no white community. There are communities that happen to be black are white and to suggest that all blacks think a certain way because those we call their leaders think that way is the height of ignorance.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Humlermw

Yes the riot was stupid and yes there are racist blacks as well as whites. My issue with you is that you seemed to be painting the entire black community as somehow involved in some anti-white conspiracy. Why does the concept of black community leaders even exist. Who are the white community leaders? These are ancient and outdated terms because there really is no black community and no white community. There are communities that happen to be black are white and to suggest that all blacks think a certain way because those we call their leaders think that way is the height of ignorance.

I don't think Whites are allowed to publicly associate and gather as Whites. They can gather as a police officer's association, as an Irish St. Patricks Day parade group, or as a church social club, but you'll never see them come together explicitly as Whites, because Whites are denied the ability to have the sort of racial consciousness and group cohesion that Blacks are encouraged to have and rewarded for having.

In short, there are no White community leaders, because the White community really isn't allowed to even be open about the existence of the White community, to do so would invite immediate charges of racism.

However, there are Black leaders who claim to speak for, and represent, the Black community. These range from crackpots in fringe groups to essentially mainstream people who frequently get major media attention (i.e. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc).

So when those leaders are either silent, or supportive, of brutal and violent behavior by the people they claim to represent, and the people they claim to represent don't rise up and say, "hey, that's not how we feel about it!" it sends a message, not a positive or pleasant one either.

[Humlermw]

You just do not get it. There are NO black communities or white communities. There are communities which HAPPEN to be black or HAPPEN to be white. We are all human beings thus I feel compassion not just for whites like me but for ALL peoples EVERYWHERE. And why you believe whites are not allowed to gather is beyond me. Oh yes the black MINORITY must be oppressing the white MAJORITY. Even if that was the case haven't we already been doing that to them for the past 300 some odd years. Looks like they'd just be trying to catch up.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Humlermw

You just do not get it. There are NO black communities or white communities. There are communities which HAPPEN to be black or HAPPEN to be white. We are all human beings thus I feel compassion not just for whites like me but for ALL peoples EVERYWHERE. And why you believe whites are not allowed to gather is beyond me. Oh yes the black MINORITY must be oppressing the white MAJORITY. Even if that was the case haven't we already been doing that to them for the past 300 some odd years. Looks like they'd just be trying to catch up.

Most oppression of Whites is done by other Whites who go out of their way to deny that any White racial consciousness or community cohesion/identity is possible, so they can thump their chest, pat themselves on the back, and prove to the world "how not racist" they are. They're the sort of people who would try to offer theories about how Reginald Denny must have done something to bring that attack on himself.

The remark about "looks like they're just trying to catch up for the last 300 years" is really rather snide and it shows that you just don't get it. You say people should get over the riots and move ahead, the riots were 8 years ago... You talk about things 300 years ago and say the Blacks are getting even... I wasn't around 300 years ago doing nasty stuff to them, I wasn't around doing anything to anybody. However, the people who launched the attacks 8 years ago are still around, I bet they still go about their daily lives, chatting and smiling at their unsuspecting neighbors and co-workers, who have little idea that 8 years ago, when they had the chance, they went wild and beat the snot out of people.

So obviously some people don't want to let things go and move forward, they're still harping on 300 year old grievances, real or imagined. Meanwhile, the recent problems, less than a decade old, are brushed off as "the past" and we are instructed to "forget about such things and move forward."

I have to wonder what your motive is in pushing such an agenda.

[Humlermw]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

Most oppression of Whites is done by other Whites who go out of their way to deny that any White racial consciousness or community cohesion/identity is possible, so they can thump themselves on the chest and prove to the world "how not racist" they are.

The remark about "looks like they're just trying to catch up for the last 300 years" is really rather snide and it shows that you just don't get it. You say people should get over the riots and move ahead, the riots were 8 years ago... You talk about things 300 years ago and say the Blacks are getting even... I wasn't around 300 years ago doing nasty stuff to them, I wasn't around doing anything to anybody. However, the people who launched the attacks 8 years ago are still around, I bet they still go about their daily lives, chatting and smiling at their unsuspecting neighbors and co-workers, who have little idea that 8 years ago, when they had the chance, they went wild and beat the snot out of people.

So obviously some people don't want to let things go and move forward, they're still harping on 300 year old grievances, real or imagined. Meanwhile, the recent problems, less than a decade old, are brushed off as "the past" and we are instructed to "forget about such things and move forward."

I have to wonder what your motive is in pushing such an agenda.

Actually my secret agenda is to have people live together in peace while solving disputes reasonably. Quite heinous I know. I brought up the 300 years ago comment as a way to poke fun at your idea that blacks are oppressing us. I agree that we should all get over what none of us had a hand in but that is different than pretending it didn't happen. Shouldn't we be willing to forgive those who trespass against us. I am no Christian but they sure hit the nail on the head with that one. If a man beats me I'll forgive him whether he's sorry or not, for my own sanity, rather than be focused on revenge. I also used the 300 years comment as a way to show that both sides are at fault for the issues we face today. Let's accept our mutual responsibility and then work towards a future where we are not so mistrustful of each other. If you are so interested in re-building the communities trust I'd ask if you have taken an active role in seeing this goal brought to fruition, or have you just been pointing out the problems from the comfort of your computerized throne.