Is Cincinnati really dangerous? No. (2010, city hall, wage)

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Oh .... so close, but the city is gaining in population.

In 1950 there were over 500,000 people in Cincinnati.

It is estimated that it may have gained about 1,500 residents from 2000-2007, after losing nearly 10% in the prior decade. Hardly anything worth bragging about... Also, it doesn't mean the city is gaining residents, it means it is starting to recover the losses.

If your bank account winds up 500 dollars in the red, and then suddenly gains 100 dollars, you don't call that a gain, it is the recovery of a loss, the minimizing of a loss. Until you have a net gain, you don't have a real gain. Cincinnati will not be able to say it is gaining people until it rises above the maximum that was set in the 1950s, until then, every "gain" is simply a recovery of loss.

If somebody steals three of your horses, and you recover one of them, you don't say, "I just gained a horse" do you?

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Humlermw

Actually my secret agenda is to have people live together in peace while solving disputes reasonably. Quite heinous I know. I brought up the 300 years ago comment as a way to poke fun at your idea that blacks are oppressing us. I agree that we should all get over what none of us had a hand in but that is different than pretending it didn't happen. Shouldn't we be willing to forgive those who trespass against us. I am no Christian but they sure hit the nail on the head with that one. If a man beats me I'll forgive him whether he's sorry or not, for my own sanity, rather than be focused on revenge. I also used the 300 years comment as a way to show that both sides are at fault for the issues we face today. Let's accept our mutual responsibility and then work towards a future where we are not so mistrustful of each other. If you are so interested in re-building the communities trust I'd ask if you have taken an active role in seeing this goal brought to fruition, or have you just been pointing out the problems from the comfort of your computerized throne.

Well if you're not a Christian, please refrain from commenting about the Bible or about how Christians should live their life. I don't walk into a mosque and try to tell Muslims that I have special knowledge about how their Koran says they're supposed to live.

Yahshua (Jesus) the Messiah, said "if your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him, if he repents, forgive him."

If somebody's not sorry, I'm never going to forgive them. To forgive a man who is not sorry is simply giving him a license to wrong me again and again, as he will see me as a weak fool.

Have I taken an active role in Cincinnati? I don't live there, so the answer is no... Furthermore, I was neither a perpetrator nor a victim of the violence of 2001, so it's not really my job to help rebuild trust, as I neither lost trust nor had a hand in eroding it. Unless people want to bring me in as an outside consultant, it's the job of those who lived through it, to handle it.

[Hartwell Girl]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

Well if you're not a Christian, please refrain from commenting about the Bible or about how Christians should live their life. I don't walk into a mosque and try to tell Muslims that I have special knowledge about how their Koran says they're supposed to live.

Yahshua (Jesus) the Messiah, said "if your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him, if he repents, forgive him."

If somebody's not sorry, I'm never going to forgive them. To forgive a man who is not sorry is simply giving him a license to wrong me again and again, as he will see me as a weak fool.

Have I taken an active role in Cincinnati? I don't live there, so the answer is no... Furthermore, I was neither a perpetrator nor a victim of the violence of 2001, so it's not really my job to help rebuild trust, as I neither lost trust nor had a hand in eroding it. Unless people want to bring me in as an outside consultant, it's the job of those who lived through it, to handle it.

Most people on here know me as trying to always be fair and not personally attack anyone but I am willing to loose my rights to post here and tell you what a racist pig you are. People like you make me sick and you dont deserve any responses to you hateful posts. I am logging off because you make me sick!

[jlrosen]

^I would find it inequitable if Hartwell Girl were disciplined for that post

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by jlrosen

^I would find it inequitable if Hartwell Girl were disciplined for that post

She is welcome to call me a racist, that just proves she has nothing substantive to say about the issues I raised.

If this was the 1400s she'd be calling me a heretic and sending word to the Inquisition...

This is 2009 so her slur of choice is "racist" which is supposed to result in me cowering so she can announce she won the debate when she had nothing substantive to say and had clearly lost.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

In 1950 there were over 500,000 people in Cincinnati.

It is estimated that it may have gained about 1,500 residents from 2000-2007, after losing nearly 10% in the prior decade. Hardly anything worth bragging about... Also, it doesn't mean the city is gaining residents, it means it is starting to recover the losses.

If your bank account winds up 500 dollars in the red, and then suddenly gains 100 dollars, you don't call that a gain,

You aren't very clever ...

If I have $1,000 in my savings account, lose $500 total in 2006 at the Argosy, this leaves me with $500 left. If in 2007, I gain $100 and then in 2008 $200, I'm not at the amount I was originally at, but I am still "gaining," since I was at $500 but now I am at $800. I am pacing or trending upwards.

I've lost my $500 at the Argosy. That's too bad, but that shouldn't keep me focused on the past. I should look to the future and thing about how I can stabilize my savings account and maybe even concentrate on making it grow even faster.

Either way, you are either gaining, losing, or are stagnant ... You can't get to where you were without gaining. Saying city A used to have X amount of people X amount of years ago is silly. White flight has affected all cities outside of New York ... is there a city in the U.S. that resembles NYC? Even close?

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

You aren't very clever ...

If I have $1,000 in my savings account, lose $500 total in 2006 at the Argosy, this leaves me with $500 left. If in 2007, I gain $100 and then in 2008 $200, I'm not at the amount I was originally at, but I am still "gaining," since I was at $500 but now I am at $800. I am pacing or trending upwards.

I've lost my $500 at the Argosy. That's too bad, but that shouldn't keep me focused on the past. I should look to the future and thing about how I can stabilize my savings account and maybe even concentrate on making it grow even faster.

Either way, you are either gaining, losing, or are stagnant ... You can't get to where you were without gaining. Saying city A used to have X amount of people X amount of years ago is silly. White flight has affected all cities outside of New York ... is there a city in the U.S. that resembles NYC? Even close?

Recovering losses does not translate to gains...

If the DOW opens at 8200, immediately loses 200, and then ends the day at 8150, it would be wrong to say it gained 150, rather it lost 50.

Recovering a loss does not translate into a gain... Until you fully recover the loss and realize a true gain, you haven't gained anything.

In your example you are not gaining money, you're recovering losses.

Cincinnati is not gaining people, it is recovering losses. It went from over 500,000 in 1950, to less than 335,000 as of 2007... It was still losing people up until the turn of the century. They've managed to gain about 1,500 new people in the last seven years, but these are not real gains since they are still well-below where they used to be. They are reversing losses but they are not realizing gains.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

Recovering losses does not translate to gains...

If the DOW opens at 8200, immediately loses 200, and then ends the day at 8150, it would be wrong to say it gained 150, rather it lost 50.

Recovering a loss does not translate into a gain... Until you fully recover the loss and realize a true gain, you haven't gained anything.

In your example you are not gaining money, you're recovering losses.

Cincinnati is not gaining people, it is recovering losses. It went from over 500,000 in 1950, to less than 335,000 as of 2007... It was still losing people up until the turn of the century. They've managed to gain about 1,500 new people in the last seven years, but these are not real gains since they are still well-below where they used to be. They are reversing losses but they are not realizing gains.

The stockmarket opens and closes in one day. We're talking decades.

Is Cincinnati's population stagnant? Or is its population gaining or losing in population?

In other words to make it easier for you, would you imagine a little plus or minus symbol next to its name indexed in the Census' site?

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

The stockmarket opens and closes in one day. We're talking decades.

Is Cincinnati's population stagnant? Or is it's population gaining or losing in population?

In other words to make it easier for you, would you imaging a little plus or minus symbol next to its name indexed in the Census' site?

Gaining or losing from what starting point?

It obviously has more people now than it did when it was first formed as a city, but it has far less than it did five decades ago, and slightly more (about 1,500 more) than it did at the last (year 2000) census.

You need to say, relative to what... Is the city growing relative to what? relative to the 1950s when it peaked (as of now anyway) in population, when it was founded, when the last census was conducted...

Specify...

I imagine that the politicians will say the city is growing, since it is not politically expedient to mention that the city's population is only slightly above a five decade low.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

Gaining or losing from what starting point?

It obviously has more people now than it did when it was first formed as a city, but it has far less than it did five decades ago, and slightly more (about 1,500 more) than it did at the last (year 2000) census.

You need to say, relative to what... Is the city growing relative to what? relative to the 1950s when it peaked (as of now anyway) in population, when it was founded, when the last census was conducted...

Specify...

I imagine that the politicians will say the city is growing, since it is not politically expedient to mention that the city's population is only slightly above a five decade low.

If you understand the topic, you wouldn't have to ask as to what year do we use as a starting point. 99% of the time when a census stat is read, it is compared to the previous years.