Is Cincinnati really dangerous? No. (Mason, Avon: real estate, low crime, neighborhood)

[hillside]

3rd degree,

dont you read? i said cities over 300,000. read my post. geez.

jlrosen,

houston, dallas and kansas city are annex type cities as well and it doesn't deter crime there. people adjust to their environment. in fact, areas in spread out cities like that allow for neighborhoods of desertion because there simply no need to drive out there, as opposed to through there, as is the case in older dense cities like, well, um...cincinnati. detroit isn't the densest city in the world; neither is new orleans.

even if you did take 50 sq miles of columbus or indy and compared them to cincinnati, would they be as dangerous? no. why? because they were in good enough shape in the 70's to convince true suburbanites (not these suburbanite residents of the city of columbus that you speak of) to let them take over the county. didn't happen then for cincinnati, not happening now for cincinnati.

cincy rise,

you sure you want your 95 pound white wife around a black guy?

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by hillside

cincy rise,

you sure you want your 95 pound white wife around a black guy?

Sure. She'll be alright. It's your safety that I'm concerned with. I wouldn't want you thrown off buildings or shot up by stray bullets from drive-bys. lol



*Stay tuned for another rebuttal of Hillside's "fluke" stats! ... brought to you by Cincy-Rise later on today!*


In the mean time, Hillside ... be sure to check out statistics: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

[Cincinnatus]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

have my 95-pound wife escort you around ... .

295 pound would be better

[hillside]

it feels good to know there are still a couple old-school derelicts hangin' around in the world...ignoring all in the sake of privilege. reading, hearing and conjuring about something and knowing firsthand are not the same.

[Crew Chief]

It's a good thing I've seen Cincinnati for myself instead of taking WLW 700's rhetoric as the gospel truth...

[Clint_Noname]

Originally Posted by jlrosen

these statistics are more or less meaningless because they don't take into account the relative composition of the cities. Columbus and Indianapolis both have hundred of thousand of suburb residents included in their city total. also the 'city' of cincinnati would include most of northern kentucky if not for the river being a state line.

You make an excellent point. I always had this idea of passing a law where cities would have to merge with all of the cities that border them, regardless of whether they're in a different state or not. The state that has the majority of the consolidated city's population is the state that the consolidated city would ultimately belong to.

I don't really know how that idea would work out. It might lower the cost of living in the entire "consolidated city" since they're all consolidated into one city government and therefore have more money. It would definitely end the confusion as to what is considered "Cincinnati" or "Columbus" and what is considered "the suburbs" -- in fact, "the suburbs" would be considered a part of the consolidated city. Staying on topic with this thread, the inlcusion of suburban areas in the city limits would also significantly lower the per-capita crime rate, maybe giving a more accurate picture of the area as a whole. It would be interesting to see the short- and long-term effects of such consolidation.

[psm0110]

Hate to say this, as it should be obvious, but a few dangerous streets is all any dangerous neighborhood has anywhere -- that doesn't make them safe. We need more cops & better school programs to keep kids off streets - better jobs so they have supportive homes, and it will take increased money to do it, which is the ultimate Catch 22 facing many urban areas. Ultimately, the state and county have to take up more responsibility to overcome that. Seems to me that SW Ohio is all but forgotten in the capital - they focus on Columbus & Cleveland. Have to wonder why so much of the regional growth is south and out of state...

[goyguy]

Clint, you might be interested in how Lexington has made out since they became a "consolidated city" during the '70s. It's now the hub of "Fayette Urban County." As far as I know ('tain't very far), all the relative statistics for the city are gathered countywide. Could you imagine the lawsuits and the howls of protest, though, if that were to be tried with Hamilton County? The good people of Indian Hill and Wyoming would be leading the charge against so much as a perception of merging with the big bad 'nati.

The originator of this thread pegged why Cincinnati is perceived the way it is, and by whom. Only small sectors of Kennedy Heights, Price Hill, Roselawn, etc are the "hot spots" for crime in whichever the neighborhood happens to be. But the substantial, if not majority, presence of non-White persons in an area guarantees that that entire area gets summarily written off by the media and detoured around by nervous suburbanites. The only parts of the city I try to, let's say, minimize time spent in are OTR, the West End, Mt Auburn, and the portion of Avondale south of Dana/Clinton Springs along Reading Rd. As I once suggested to the driver of a car I was in, who casually broached the idea of departing the UC Medical area via Burnet, Forest, and Reading Rd around midnight one night, "It hasn't been so much a racial thing around here since the Sixties. Stray bullets don't know your name and don't care about what color you are." We took the Erkenbrecher/Vine/Mitchell route instead, no problem.

[Hartwell Girl]

Thank god! The real cheerleaders for the City have spoken! This post was great to see since I agree there are too many people saying bad things about Cincinnati. It seems like I spend more time defending my neighborhood than anything and it is frustrating. It makes me angry when people think they know my neighborhood better than they do. I have a great 1890 home in a great neighborhood, with wonderful neighbors in a great location. Who could ask for anything more--not me--I am perfectly happy and SAFE in my neighborhood and City.

[westchester]

Originally Posted by jlrosen

I think you answered your own question:

" But I challange that these people are less concerned about safety and more concerned about race "

yes i agree