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Old 07-12-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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From the Cincinnati Enquirer, this major business news:
Group banks on profit from Panama Canal upgrades

As seen by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, another article affirms the importance of the expanded port:
Ports of Cincinnati, N.Ky. among busiest in nation | Local | maysville-online.com

The PDF atop this page presents a concise summary of the new development:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-...qi=&aql=&gs_l=
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* This 2009 video envisioned a proposed Queensgate Intermodal Terminal planned to connect the Ohio River with Cincinnati's Queensgate Yards and all of Ohio, but West Side NIMBY's killed the project because of its threat of noise, pollution, and blockage of their views:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8AgJ7qUjA

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Old 07-12-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Sounds like a BS survey to me. Who's going to go through the trouble of navigating all those locks except for specialized cargo such as oil and coal?

Cincinnati is nowhere to be found on this list:

Top 20 U.S. Ports: Competition heats up for discretionary cargo
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Sounds like a BS survey to me. Who's going to go through the trouble of navigating all those locks except for specialized cargo such as oil and coal?

Cincinnati is nowhere to be found on this list:

Top 20 U.S. Ports: Competition heats up for discretionary cargo
Although the mainstay of Ohio River commercial shipping has long been bulk cargo, container ships similar to the ones pictured in the idealized graphic video do pass by. With the expansions of both the Panama Canal and Cincinnati-Northern KY ports, hopefully such container shipping will greatly increase.

This link (enclosed in the article cited above) provides another set of data, wherein are found shipping stats of the newly combined Cincinnati-Northern KY ports:
CY 2014 Tonnage for Selected U.S. Ports by Port Names
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:13 PM
 
Location: livin' the good life
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Sounds like a BS survey to me. Who's going to go through the trouble of navigating all those locks except for specialized cargo such as oil and coal?

Cincinnati is nowhere to be found on this list:

Top 20 U.S. Ports: Competition heats up for discretionary cargo
Cinci being a top port made me scratch my head..
This list has Cinci ranked #46, certainly not a top port.
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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From the Cincinnati Enquirer, this major business news:
Group banks on profit from Panama Canal upgrades

As seen by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, another article affirms the importance of the expanded port:
Ports of Cincinnati, N.Ky. among busiest in nation | Local | maysville-online.com

The PDF atop this page presents a concise summary of the new development:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-...qi=&aql=&gs_l=
______________________________________________

* This 2009 video envisioned a proposed Queensgate Intermodal Terminal planned to connect the Ohio River with Cincinnati's Queensgate Yards and all of Ohio, but West Side NIMBY's killed the project because of its threat of noise, pollution, and blockage of their views:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8AgJ7qUjA
The giant grove of trees, solar panels, wind turbines, battalion of M1 Abrams Tanks, and amount of time they spent on the 'hike/bike' trail is rather amusing.
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Old 07-12-2016, 10:01 PM
 
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The giant grove of trees, solar panels, wind turbines, battalion of M1 Abrams Tanks, and amount of time they spent on the 'hike/bike' trail is rather amusing.
Call me cynical, but I wasn't impressed. It looked about as impressive as your average big city Greyhound bus terminal.

And what's with the solar panels and all the landscaping? Is this supposed to be a park? A tourist attraction? Or is this some goofy city planner's version of a "sustainable" cargo depot? Sometimes you simply have to question what's going on in the heads of these people!!!

And I have one more question. How much of that riverfront have they lumped into the Cincinnati statistics to get to those figures? One guy in that article that was linked talks about US 62. That's quite a ways east of Cincinnati. According to the chart link I posted it looks like Huntington, West Virginia is almost as large in terms of cargo being shipped. I'm guessing that the bulk of the shipments are grain, gasoline, oil and coal.
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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The giant grove of trees, solar panels, wind turbines, battalion of M1 Abrams Tanks, and amount of time they spent on the 'hike/bike' trail is rather amusing.
I'd like to reiterate that the above video was a 2009 planner's promo that never came to fruition. Naturally, its idealized landscape was loaded with an array of selling points that would appeal to a broad audience. The article below touches on both sides of the controversy that surrounded the project:

Queensgate Terminals project heats up
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Old 07-14-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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Sounds like a BS survey to me...

Cincinnati is nowhere to be found on this list:

Top 20 U.S. Ports: Competition heats up for discretionary cargo
Of course, Cincinnati wasn't found. This misleading survey measured only TEU's ("Twenty-Foot Equivalent Units") - ie, it charted only coastal ports' container operations.

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Cinci being a top port made me scratch my head..
This list has Cinci ranked #46, certainly not a top port.
Such information was derived from some outdated source; the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers stats (cited above) provide a timely, reliable update.

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Old 07-14-2016, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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...And I have one more question. How much of that riverfront have they lumped into the Cincinnati statistics to get to those figures? One guy in that article that was linked talks about US 62. That's quite a ways east of Cincinnati. According to the chart link I posted it looks like Huntington, West Virginia is almost as large in terms of cargo being shipped. I'm guessing that the bulk of the shipments are grain, gasoline, oil and coal.
You need only reread articles from post 1 to answer the question - and, yes, the Port of Huntington is doing very well.

Actually, I wonder why you seem so agitated and confused by such positive business news. It seems like someone from Columbus would readily acknowledge the importance of what was accomplished in Cincinnati.** Just as Cbus annexed large swaths of land to become a bigger city, so, too, did Cincy incorporate large sections of river to become a bigger port. Land grab, water grab, who cares?! Doing what was best for themselves, two city-states enhanced their overall status.
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** "This is tremendous milestone that provides enhanced marketing and river-commerce opportunities," said Eric Thomas, executive director of the Central Ohio River Business Association, or CORBA.
"When we set out to re-designate the Ports of Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, we fully expected a rank of 15th in the nation and the second largest inland port," Thomas said. "Our region is blessed to possess such a strong port complex, arguably the envy of many cities our size in the heartland.

"When you combine our number one inland marine port with the eighth busiest airport (by landed tons), throw in the significant highway connectivity, and two class-I railroads, our region's position as a national leader in all things freight is clear," Thomas said.

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Old 07-14-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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Actually, I wonder why you seem so agitated and confused by such positive business news. It seems like someone from Columbus would readily acknowledge the importance of what was accomplished in Cincinnati.** .
I'm not at all agitated by this. I'm just calling out BS when I see it. It's sounds like more rah rah cheerleader civic booster stuff to me. Like these cheerleaders who go rah rah over a two-mile train downtown like it's going to change the world or something. Whoopty Doo!

I don't see why anybody would go through the trouble of shipping up the Mississippi and Ohio River when they can just dock on the east or Gulf Coast and put everything on a train. Now shipping out locally or regionally produce agriculture or coal is another story.

If you are looking for another reason why I am skeptical educate yourself about the St. Lawrence Seaway and how little it is used and how little Great Lakes Shipping means in the whole scheme of things.
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