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Old 02-15-2018, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Pleasant Ridge)
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The West Side just describes anything west of I-75 while the West End is a specific neighborhood. It the 1800s it was the west end of Cincinnati. The boundary between OTR and the West End is Central Parkway. The pushback has to do with the West Ends history...specifically a large portion of the neighborhood was bulldozed over for I-75. See: https://usa.streetsblog.org/2013/08/...-bomb-dropped/

FCC and MLS always wanted the West End they just weren't sure if they could make it work. FCC had to present a stadium site to MLS in December and Oakley was the most complete location at that time. MLS prefers urban core stadiums as soccer culture is built around pre-gaming at local bars. They've realized that stadiums in the urban core attract bigger crowds (ie Portland) compared to suburban stadiums (ie Dallas). There's a good chance it could still end up in Oakley but I'd this point I'd put my money on the West End.
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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^ All the bars in OTR is what I meant.
No one is going to walk from West End to Over-the-Rhine.

I forgot, people could go through the drive-thru at the White Castle's at 8th & Linn.

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What happened to Oakley?
Berding choked.

I dare say MLS will not grant Cincinnati a slot, and it will probably be another 6-8 years before MLS expands again.
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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I guess the whole distinction between West End and West Side went over my head (I never heard of West End until today), and I suspect I'm not the only one. If I'm FC Cinti, I would try to coin a new descriptor for the area around Taft-----so as not to confuse people who think you're going to the West Side which makes absolutely no sense at all.


Walking 4 blocks from OTR to West End isn't too far-----However, I'm not sure I'd want to do it at night. Hopefully, a new soccer stadium would spur gentrification in the 2 blocks between Washington Park and the stadium. Or God forbid, build a 2 block spur for the Street Car to run on game days (negotiate for the Lindners to pay for it).

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Old 02-15-2018, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I guess the whole distinction between West End and West Side went over my head (I never heard of West End until today), and I suspect I'm not the only one.
People who live in Cincinnati know which neighborhoods to avoid, and West End is one of them.

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If I'm FC Cinti, I would try to coin a new descriptor for the area around Taft-----so as not to confuse people who think you're going to the West Side which makes absolutely no sense at all.
The realtors will coin a new descriptor. There was Westwood (on the West Side) and when American Blacks started moving there, realtors came up with "East Westwood" so that people could differentiate between the areas of Westwood where Caucasians lived, and the part of Westwood where American Blacks lived.

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Walking 4 blocks from OTR to West End isn't too far-----However, I'm not sure I'd want to do it at night.
There haven't been any murders yet in the West End, although there were four last year.

According to City Data, the population is 8,050.

That gives a murder rate of 49.3 : 100,000

Compare that to Baltimore (MD) which has the highest murder rate in the country with 27.3 : 100,000

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Hopefully, a new soccer stadium would spur gentrification in the 2 blocks between Washington Park and the stadium. Or God forbid, build a 2 block spur for the Street Car to run on game days (negotiate for the Lindners to pay for it).
Opposition to the stadium is precisely because it will result in gentrification of the neighborhood and displace people.

Berding should put the stadium in Oakley. The fact that he doesn't have a deal yet and hasn't started construction is the reason the MLS will ultimately deny FC Cincinnati's bid and they will end up waiting another 6-8 years before the MLS expands again.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Clifton, Cincinnati
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People who live in Cincinnati know which neighborhoods to avoid, and West End is one of them.



The realtors will coin a new descriptor. There was Westwood (on the West Side) and when American Blacks started moving there, realtors came up with "East Westwood" so that people could differentiate between the areas of Westwood where Caucasians lived, and the part of Westwood where American Blacks lived.



There haven't been any murders yet in the West End, although there were four last year.

According to City Data, the population is 8,050.

That gives a murder rate of 49.3 : 100,000

Compare that to Baltimore (MD) which has the highest murder rate in the country with 27.3 : 100,000



Opposition to the stadium is precisely because it will result in gentrification of the neighborhood and displace people.

Berding should put the stadium in Oakley. The fact that he doesn't have a deal yet and hasn't started construction is the reason the MLS will ultimately deny FC Cincinnati's bid and they will end up waiting another 6-8 years before the MLS expands again.

I'll happily walk the four blocks from the streetcar stop to the stadium. Not all of us are afraid to go for a walk.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:24 PM
 
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Not sure where people are getting their information on Cincy waiting 6-8 yrs for MLS expansion. If you’ve been paying attention, Cincinnati is the front runner for getting a MLS franchise. Detroit doesn’t have a Soccer specific stadium plan and Sacramento lost their investors (although trying to recruit new ones in the coming days). We will find out soon enough on who gets it, probably next month.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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With the West End deal off the table anyone have thoughts on which of the two remaining sites is best? Newport would cluster the stadium together with the Great American and Paul Brown. I don't know much about the Oakley site.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Pleasant Ridge)
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Both sites have positive and negatives.

Newport would have a neat view of downtown and it's in the urban core. Negatives include traffic issues with probably 70% of the fans coming in from Ohio. Some people don't like the idea of FC Cincinnati being in Kentucky.

Oakley would be located in one of the hottest neighborhoods in the city, less than a mile walk from Mad Tree and Oakley Square. Negatives include traffic especially with Crossroads and the development as it is right now feels suburban.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Newport due to location would be my pick. My mom tells me Newport was the place to go if one was going out on the town in Cincinnati. There were upscale nightclubs and casinos. This all changed in the early 1960's when Cincinnatian St Xavier grad George Ratterman was elected sheriff of the county. George Ratterman was a moralist who did not like the Vegas Sin City atmosphere that attracted outsiders to Newport's urban district. Here is a link to the story.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131216...ell-tolls.html

George Ratterman was elected was was successful in driving out the casinos from Newport. But in driving out the casinos and the upscale nightclubs that accompanied them it also lost economically stimulating visitors from other parts of the Cincy metro that frequented Newport's urban district. The local economy suffered heavily without those outside visitors. Ever since then Newport has been looking for other ways to draw outside visitors from other parts of the Cincy metro with the addition of Newport on the Levy and the Newport Aquarium. The only problem is that these are enclaves unto themselves contributing nothing to making what was once lively streets in Newport's urban district.

For a stadium to be successful it needs special and interesting streets adjoining it that has character on its own merit with specialty shops and places on it. It needs a good density of residents living there permanently and outsiders visiting there daily 7 days of the week to make the streets lively and economically viable 7 days a week.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati near
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My preference is for FCC to remain at Nippert and in the USL. It is a great venue and it is a good arrangement for both the team and UC. If MLS happens, though, I hope Newport is chosen so that I never have to deal with the traffic. I am not a big fan of the way that MLS is run and I don't think that MLS franchises are a positive for most of the cities they are in.
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