Would you consider Cincinnati and Charlotte, NC to be very similar? (Hunter: apartments, condominiums)

[Traveler87]

Cincinnati is not only growing metro population, but the city is growing too. In just the last census the city gained over 1,000 new residents. You can find the same things to do in Cincy as in Charlotte, Charlotte sprawls, and so does Cincy. You can find your new housing developments in both cities. Charlotte is modern, Cincinnati is art deco AND modern. Cincinnati offers more I think though. And I agree with some other posters, Cincinnati is the real urban city.


The climate in Cincinnati is not that bad at all. Most of the time they are only a few degrees colder than Charlotte.

Also, about the comment on Kentucky. Covington and Newport have both shown population declines. And I noticed more Kentucky plates on the Ohio side. There is more to do on the Ohio side, plus the Kentucky plates seemed to follow us all the way to Columbus.

[rmorton]

Originally Posted by backspace

I am looking to relocate and these two cities are my top choices. I wanta place that is wooded, and where the climate is mild, affordable housesand mid-sized city. The two look very similar at a glance. Are there any differencesor similarities you might be able to point out? Thanks.

I was born and raised in Cincy, Walnut Hills, Avondale, and downtown. I worked for Emery Industries (next door to P & G) and left in 1969. My siblings are still there and I have visited three times a year since and the inner city (except for some revamping of Fountain Square, a few new Department stores and a few blocks of Main Street) there has been no drastic change. Many of the areas of blight (Over the Rhine, Cumminsville, Evanston, Lincoln Heights, parts of Norwood, North Fairmont, are still the same run down,with no growth whatsoever. Even though they refurbished Lincoln Court and Laurel homes the areas ajacent are still drug infested with murders everyweek. The growth is at the outer limits...north of 275. True the city has a lot of old historic buildings (City Hall is the best I have seen anywhere and Union terminal), but compared to Charlotte, the growth there is nil. Everywhere you travel in Charlotte the growth is apparent, and there is plenty of new housing in all price ranges not just cookie cutters. AS we speak there are more than 15 new shopping areas, an Ikea, 2 Super Targets, 2 Lowes, 3 Home Depots, Nortthlake Mall (almost done and growing,) Expansion of the outbuildings in Concord Mills Mall, Christenbuty Corners, 5 New upscale reaturants in Ballantyne, 13 High Rise Condos in uptown, 4 New mid rise Condos in South Park, and many other community shopping centers. Now thats growth. And there are still many areas minutes from the growth that are still fairly rural, with open fields and close to outdoor activities.An old house in Cincy is one that is 30 yrs or so (probably 90% of the homes there are over 40, and here in Charlotte 10 yrs is an old house. Downtown Cincy is virtually a ghost town after 7PM unless there is a Ball game or there is an event at the Arnoff or Convention Center. Downtown Charlotte is vibrant with or without a game. There is the expectation of 15,000 residents moving to the uptown areas over the next 5 years. You can see that the City is preparing for it by the abundance of new high rise residences under construction. The last new residence in downtown Cincy was One Lytle Place (over 30 years old and falling apart, and the refurbished Old Shillitos Dept store, which was only half ass remodeled. They did build 2 new Stadiums but they brought nothing to the areas other than playing arenas.I do not think its a close race if you investigate all the facts. I graduated from Walnut Hills and at my last reunion 85% of the class no longer lived in Cincy.... Many of the large companies have recently moved to Charlotte and I an sure they do a lot of research before they do that. Most of the large companies remaining in Cincy have aslways been there. Other than Duke Energy(which only replaced a company) not many are moving there. Cincy has to be one of the few places where Macdonalds and burger King have a rough time maintaining a customer base... Charlotte Hands Down

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by patrickmich

I have no issues with sprawl, you can't have growth without it.

Sure you can. It just takes a competent zoning and planning commission who won't take a bribe (pronounced "campaign contribution") from developers. You can see lots of examples of good planning in European countries, and occasionally here in the US (although it's rare).

[jstn]

Originally Posted by rmorton

I was born and raised in Cincy, Walnut Hills, Avondale, and downtown. I worked for Emery Industries (next door to P & G) and left in 1969. My siblings are still there and I have visited three times a year since and the inner city (except for some revamping of Fountain Square, a few new Department stores and a few blocks of Main Street) there has been no drastic change. Many of the areas of blight (Over the Rhine, Cumminsville, Evanston, Lincoln Heights, parts of Norwood, North Fairmont, are still the same run down,with no growth whatsoever. Even though they refurbished Lincoln Court and Laurel homes the areas ajacent are still drug infested with murders everyweek. The growth is at the outer limits...north of 275. True the city has a lot of old historic buildings (City Hall is the best I have seen anywhere and Union terminal), but compared to Charlotte, the growth there is nil. Everywhere you travel in Charlotte the growth is apparent, and there is plenty of new housing in all price ranges not just cookie cutters. AS we speak there are more than 15 new shopping areas, an Ikea, 2 Super Targets, 2 Lowes, 3 Home Depots, Nortthlake Mall (almost done and growing,) Expansion of the outbuildings in Concord Mills Mall, Christenbuty Corners, 5 New upscale reaturants in Ballantyne, 13 High Rise Condos in uptown, 4 New mid rise Condos in South Park, and many other community shopping centers. Now thats growth. And there are still many areas minutes from the growth that are still fairly rural, with open fields and close to outdoor activities.An old house in Cincy is one that is 30 yrs or so (probably 90% of the homes there are over 40, and here in Charlotte 10 yrs is an old house. Downtown Cincy is virtually a ghost town after 7PM unless there is a Ball game or there is an event at the Arnoff or Convention Center. Downtown Charlotte is vibrant with or without a game. There is the expectation of 15,000 residents moving to the uptown areas over the next 5 years. You can see that the City is preparing for it by the abundance of new high rise residences under construction. The last new residence in downtown Cincy was One Lytle Place (over 30 years old and falling apart, and the refurbished Old Shillitos Dept store, which was only half ass remodeled. They did build 2 new Stadiums but they brought nothing to the areas other than playing arenas.I do not think its a close race if you investigate all the facts. I graduated from Walnut Hills and at my last reunion 85% of the class no longer lived in Cincy.... Many of the large companies have recently moved to Charlotte and I an sure they do a lot of research before they do that. Most of the large companies remaining in Cincy have aslways been there. Other than Duke Energy(which only replaced a company) not many are moving there. Cincy has to be one of the few places where Macdonalds and burger King have a rough time maintaining a customer base... Charlotte Hands Down

I agree 100%. I miss Cincy so much...I really want to moved back. But when it really comes down to it, Charlotte is so much nicer - it would be so hard to leave.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by rmorton

I was born and raised in Cincy, Walnut Hills, Avondale, and downtown. I worked for Emery Industries (next door to P & G) and left in 1969. My siblings are still there and I have visited three times a year since and the inner city (except for some revamping of Fountain Square, a few new Department stores and a few blocks of Main Street) there has been no drastic change. Many of the areas of blight (Over the Rhine, Cumminsville, Evanston, Lincoln Heights, parts of Norwood, North Fairmont, are still the same run down,with no growth whatsoever. Even though they refurbished Lincoln Court and Laurel homes the areas ajacent are still drug infested with murders everyweek. The growth is at the outer limits...north of 275. True the city has a lot of old historic buildings (City Hall is the best I have seen anywhere and Union terminal), but compared to Charlotte, the growth there is nil. Everywhere you travel in Charlotte the growth is apparent, and there is plenty of new housing in all price ranges not just cookie cutters. AS we speak there are more than 15 new shopping areas, an Ikea, 2 Super Targets, 2 Lowes, 3 Home Depots, Nortthlake Mall (almost done and growing,) Expansion of the outbuildings in Concord Mills Mall, Christenbuty Corners, 5 New upscale reaturants in Ballantyne, 13 High Rise Condos in uptown, 4 New mid rise Condos in South Park, and many other community shopping centers. Now thats growth. And there are still many areas minutes from the growth that are still fairly rural, with open fields and close to outdoor activities.An old house in Cincy is one that is 30 yrs or so (probably 90% of the homes there are over 40, and here in Charlotte 10 yrs is an old house. Downtown Cincy is virtually a ghost town after 7PM unless there is a Ball game or there is an event at the Arnoff or Convention Center. Downtown Charlotte is vibrant with or without a game. There is the expectation of 15,000 residents moving to the uptown areas over the next 5 years. You can see that the City is preparing for it by the abundance of new high rise residences under construction. The last new residence in downtown Cincy was One Lytle Place (over 30 years old and falling apart, and the refurbished Old Shillitos Dept store, which was only half ass remodeled. They did build 2 new Stadiums but they brought nothing to the areas other than playing arenas.I do not think its a close race if you investigate all the facts. I graduated from Walnut Hills and at my last reunion 85% of the class no longer lived in Cincy.... Many of the large companies have recently moved to Charlotte and I an sure they do a lot of research before they do that. Most of the large companies remaining in Cincy have aslways been there. Other than Duke Energy(which only replaced a company) not many are moving there. Cincy has to be one of the few places where Macdonalds and burger King have a rough time maintaining a customer base... Charlotte Hands Down

Actually Cincinnati is doing wonders for their downtown. OTR is changing quickly. I mean you can't look at all the negatives in the city. Cincinnati is going to building its newest highrise that will be its TALLEST. The downtown population is growing, the city population is growing. Cincinnati is growing at a good rate, I wouldn't want terribly fast growth that goes un-checked. The Banks just started which is a mix-use development along the central riverfront. New condos, restaurants, clubs and parks will be going in.

Downtown Charlotte is really not that lively. Its about the same as Cincy, and sometimes worse. I did an internship down there for a few weeks. Went with some friends from college that live in the area, and they told me all the stories, the areas where to avoid, etc. Two of my friends were from the Charlotte area. (Huntersville and Gastonia). Lake Norman is awesome, and I love Charlotte's skyline, but the sparwl is getting terrible.

[unusualfire]

Originally Posted by rmorton

I was born and raised in Cincy, Walnut Hills, Avondale, and downtown. I worked for Emery Industries (next door to P & G) and left in 1969. My siblings are still there and I have visited three times a year since and the inner city (except for some revamping of Fountain Square, a few new Department stores and a few blocks of Main Street) there has been no drastic change. Many of the areas of blight (Over the Rhine, Cumminsville, Evanston, Lincoln Heights, parts of Norwood, North Fairmont, are still the same run down,with no growth whatsoever. Even though they refurbished Lincoln Court and Laurel homes the areas ajacent are still drug infested with murders everyweek. The growth is at the outer limits...north of 275. True the city has a lot of old historic buildings (City Hall is the best I have seen anywhere and Union terminal), but compared to Charlotte, the growth there is nil. Everywhere you travel in Charlotte the growth is apparent, and there is plenty of new housing in all price ranges not just cookie cutters. AS we speak there are more than 15 new shopping areas, an Ikea, 2 Super Targets, 2 Lowes, 3 Home Depots, Nortthlake Mall (almost done and growing,) Expansion of the outbuildings in Concord Mills Mall, Christenbuty Corners, 5 New upscale reaturants in Ballantyne, 13 High Rise Condos in uptown, 4 New mid rise Condos in South Park, and many other community shopping centers. Now thats growth. And there are still many areas minutes from the growth that are still fairly rural, with open fields and close to outdoor activities.An old house in Cincy is one that is 30 yrs or so (probably 90% of the homes there are over 40, and here in Charlotte 10 yrs is an old house. Downtown Cincy is virtually a ghost town after 7PM unless there is a Ball game or there is an event at the Arnoff or Convention Center. Downtown Charlotte is vibrant with or without a game. There is the expectation of 15,000 residents moving to the uptown areas over the next 5 years. You can see that the City is preparing for it by the abundance of new high rise residences under construction. The last new residence in downtown Cincy was One Lytle Place (over 30 years old and falling apart, and the refurbished Old Shillitos Dept store, which was only half ass remodeled. They did build 2 new Stadiums but they brought nothing to the areas other than playing arenas.I do not think its a close race if you investigate all the facts. I graduated from Walnut Hills and at my last reunion 85% of the class no longer lived in Cincy.... Many of the large companies have recently moved to Charlotte and I an sure they do a lot of research before they do that. Most of the large companies remaining in Cincy have aslways been there. Other than Duke Energy(which only replaced a company) not many are moving there. Cincy has to be one of the few places where Macdonalds and burger King have a rough time maintaining a customer base... Charlotte Hands Down

So basically you're saying Charlotte is playing catch up?

[Traveler87]

Also about the Cincinnati companies moving to Charlotte, what are they? Cincinnati is home to some of the highest percenatage of fortune 500 companies in the nation. Procter and Gamble being the major one. Macy's Inc. calls Cincinnati home. So much more. If anything, they would be from Buffalo. Famous Quote in Charlotte: "What part of Buffalo are you from?"

Good Links: Check all 3 out.

Interesting:
Cincinnati USA in top 10 nationwide for Fortune 500 companies per million - Cincinnati USA Regional Chamber

Even Better:
UC analysis: Cincinnati ranks high for Fortune 500 companies: bizjournals.com Business News: US:PG - MSN Money

Home too so much:
List of companies in Greater Cincinnati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by rmorton

I was born and raised in Cincy, Walnut Hills, Avondale, and downtown. I worked for Emery Industries (next door to P & G) and left in 1969. My siblings are still there and I have visited three times a year since and the inner city (except for some revamping of Fountain Square, a few new Department stores and a few blocks of Main Street) there has been no drastic change. Many of the areas of blight (Over the Rhine, Cumminsville, Evanston, Lincoln Heights, parts of Norwood, North Fairmont, are still the same run down,with no growth whatsoever. Even though they refurbished Lincoln Court and Laurel homes the areas ajacent are still drug infested with murders everyweek. The growth is at the outer limits...north of 275. True the city has a lot of old historic buildings (City Hall is the best I have seen anywhere and Union terminal), but compared to Charlotte, the growth there is nil. Everywhere you travel in Charlotte the growth is apparent, and there is plenty of new housing in all price ranges not just cookie cutters. AS we speak there are more than 15 new shopping areas, an Ikea, 2 Super Targets, 2 Lowes, 3 Home Depots, Nortthlake Mall (almost done and growing,) Expansion of the outbuildings in Concord Mills Mall, Christenbuty Corners, 5 New upscale reaturants in Ballantyne, 13 High Rise Condos in uptown, 4 New mid rise Condos in South Park, and many other community shopping centers. Now thats growth. And there are still many areas minutes from the growth that are still fairly rural, with open fields and close to outdoor activities.An old house in Cincy is one that is 30 yrs or so (probably 90% of the homes there are over 40, and here in Charlotte 10 yrs is an old house. Downtown Cincy is virtually a ghost town after 7PM unless there is a Ball game or there is an event at the Arnoff or Convention Center. Downtown Charlotte is vibrant with or without a game. There is the expectation of 15,000 residents moving to the uptown areas over the next 5 years. You can see that the City is preparing for it by the abundance of new high rise residences under construction. The last new residence in downtown Cincy was One Lytle Place (over 30 years old and falling apart, and the refurbished Old Shillitos Dept store, which was only half ass remodeled. They did build 2 new Stadiums but they brought nothing to the areas other than playing arenas.I do not think its a close race if you investigate all the facts. I graduated from Walnut Hills and at my last reunion 85% of the class no longer lived in Cincy.... Many of the large companies have recently moved to Charlotte and I an sure they do a lot of research before they do that. Most of the large companies remaining in Cincy have aslways been there. Other than Duke Energy(which only replaced a company) not many are moving there. Cincy has to be one of the few places where Macdonalds and burger King have a rough time maintaining a customer base... Charlotte Hands Down

Are you serious? Seriously ...

Target? Lowe's? Home Depot? Strip Malls? ... Might as well throw Wal-Mart in there too ...

Look, if you want to talk about urban development, then let's talk ... if you want to have a pissing match on who can create the largest surface lots in the city then that's another story ... come back when you've got your stuff together and your your facts straight.


I would have expected something better from a RE agent.

[jstn]

Originally Posted by Traveler87

Actually Cincinnati is doing wonders for their downtown. OTR is changing quickly. I mean you can't look at all the negatives in the city. Cincinnati is going to building its newest highrise that will be its TALLEST. The downtown population is growing, the city population is growing. Cincinnati is growing at a good rate, I wouldn't want terribly fast growth that goes un-checked. The Banks just started which is a mix-use development along the central riverfront. New condos, restaurants, clubs and parks will be going in.

Downtown Charlotte is really not that lively. Its about the same as Cincy, and sometimes worse. I did an internship down there for a few weeks. Went with some friends from college that live in the area, and they told me all the stories, the areas where to avoid, etc. Two of my friends were from the Charlotte area. (Huntersville and Gastonia). Lake Norman is awesome, and I love Charlotte's skyline, but the sparwl is getting terrible.

Come now, OTR??? Sounds like to me too many people on this site are trying too hard to sell a condo or two. Let's be honest, the only way to turn around OTR quickly would involve a lot of gasoline and a frim match.

Downtown Charlotte is very lively...especially compared to DT Cincy. I go to several Reds and Bengals games every year and there is nothing but people running to their cars. Don't act like you know a city after spending a few weeks here - especially when your references are Gastonia and Huntersville. Huntersville is okay, but it's the sticks. Gastonia wouldn't be worth a good **** if it were on fire.

[jstn]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

So basically you're saying Charlotte is playing catch up?

visit downtown Charlotte and see who's trying to play catch up.