Grave Mistake! (Cincinnati, Avon: housing, rent, income)

[CincyExpert]

The part of Hamilton County that is West of 75, North of Cross County Highway and East of Colerain Ave. is where you'll find all the diversity in the suburbs. That's a fairly large area.

[momincincy]

I know this is going to sound weird, but, it's not necessarily because you are AA, it probably has more to do with you being "an outsider."

Ask anyone from Anderson Twp where they live; they tell you "Anderson Twp." NOT Cincinnati... but your mail isn't addressed Anderson Township, Ohio is it? Look at their website... Anderson Township
They call it "Anderson Township, Ohio" but try to mapquest it... you can't.
Map of OH by MapQuest

If you type in an Anderson Twp zip code, it returns CINCINNATI.

In my experience, and I have a good bit because my husband was born and raised in Anderson Township, and my in laws still live there... 90% of the folks there, for whatever reason, look down on just about everyone...

Kill em with kindness, wave at them, smile at them, speak to them every time you get a chance and then enjoy as they get all confused/flustered as they try to figure out if they're supposed to wave back, speak back or smile back.

[jlrosen]

ask anyone from anderson township where they live when they are on vacation and they will tell you they live in cincinnati

[Cincy-Rise]

The same can be said for Colerain TWP, but God knows that 45252 goes outside the damn 275 loop! LOL.

[Heaveno]

Originally Posted by magicgreen

Anderson township for black people? No way Jose! And Norwood and Mariemont is out too!!!!!! Your best bet is somewhere like ummm.......North Advondale, Walnut hills,Silverton,or maybe even snobby E. walnut hills. At least these places wont dislike you because you dont look like THEM!!!!!

Racism is an illness-will there ever be a cure for it? For those who practice it and those who have to endure it from others. A mental illness soon to be labeled as such for many. Black people need a therapist for life to deal with racism, so it is best that we attempt to avoid as many racist situations as we can to try to keep ourselves as mentally healthy as we can. So here are my recommendations for some neighborhoods that may help with your mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness.

Neighborhoods I suggest are North Avondale-closer to St. Bernard, Paddock Hills-preferably between Paddock on one side and Reading Road on the other. Forest Park, Springdale, Finneytown, North College Hill, Glendale, Hollydale-a Springfield Township neighborhood, Pleasant Run, Fairfield, Wyoming, Woodlawn, Colerain, and some parts of Sharonville. It is sad that we have to suggest areas for one to live and feel somewhat accepted. I thought that by this time in my lifetime the city would be remarkably different, but it has changed for the worst to me. I cannot believe that this city has deteriorated over the 44 years I have lived here. It is quite sad!!

[henderson1846]

I did exactly what "The_Reeds" did (Grave Mistake! on 01-31-2008 ), relocated to Anderson Township, because my job was close to this suburb. I thought Anderson Township would be like moving to Parma Hts. Ohio. That where they throw trash on your lawn or burn a cross on your lawn, however this did not happen. One long time neighbor came by to say welcome and gave us a 6-pack of Coka Cola. Later that week an Anderson Township welcome basket was given to my family. We were asked to join the ForestHill Tennis and Swimming Club. I declined that invitation because I did not feel comfortable socializing with white people. You see I am from the Ghetto of Cleveland Ohio and my wife is from chocolate city of Gary Ind. All I wanted was a peaceful place to sleep at night and a safe place for my boys to go to school. Anderson Township has been my home for 29 years. It is peaceful in Anderson township. You don't need to put bars on you windows and door like my family have to do in Gary and Cleveland. When I first arrived in SummitEstate in the summer of 1979 there where six Black families in that sub-division. Most of those people got relocated by there jobs.

[Crew Chief]

Before I get to what I'm going to say; I'm a middle-aged white guy married to a Resident Alien. I served in the military and saw a good bit of the world. I consider myself Liberal on some issues, Conservative on other. NOW:

I believe "diversity" is over-rated. I use my neighborhood as an example. While we have neighbors that are Hispanic, Black, Israeli and who-knows-what-else, it really doesn't matter. The houses in the neighborhood range from $200,000-$250,000, so we all have decent incomes in common. Everyone keeps good care of their property. Every one gets along well. Other than being on patrol, police cars are seldom, if ever, called to a home here. We probably have a lot more in common than we have "diversity" I may not share my neighbor's musical interests and it's a good bet that he could care less about the commercial vehicles and fire apparatus of which I'm so fond. But so what. That doesn't mean that we don't have other things in common. I am sure that if I broke the law, my neighbors would report me to the police. And they darned sure wouldn't riot in the cul-de-sacs after I was arrested.

As for Cincinnati; I believe that those with good values are finding a way to move out of the crime-ridden areas of the city. Those that are left behind either stay there by choice or don't really care enough to make where they live a better place.

I believe that only a small number of people use racism for their own selfish reasons. And that the vast Americans get along with each other just fine, thanks. Racism is an excuse or a crutch instead of a reality, as the media would have us believe. (Gotta fill that 24-hour news cycle with SOMETHING; might as well make it controversial...

Anyway, that's my .02¢ worth...

[hillside]

you just proved the opposite. you said diversity is overrated because america is more about class than race. but specific races are disproportionate in particular classes. blacks and hispanics dominate the lower and working classes, whereas whites, asians and middle easterners dominate middle, upper middle and upper classes. race can be attacked through class. economic diversity is the most important factor of the racial argument.

racism is an inherent, often subconscious instilled belief that the color of one's skin, the inflection in one's voice, the pace of one's walk, type of clothing or any other form of personal and social expression or status whether intentional or unavoidable reflects negatively in comparison to another cache of circumstances substantiated by a particular individual or group of individuals.

i.e. if someone lives in a bad neighborhood in america, it is called a ghetto. it is assumed to be minority in majority population, and that population is the reason that the neighborhood is bad.

notice the ignorance of several factors, such as the fact that the neighborhood may have been previously white with good reputation before the industrial collapse of the 1970's led to economic disenfranchisement of the area, thus opening the way for crime regardless of race, or that the local schools are not properly funded, tooled, or administered, thus not properly preparing students to qualify for a diploma or post-secondary education.

...maybe the justice system throws the book at one group a little harder than the other by making cocaine and crack two different classifications to, again, attack race through class.

more whites have financial means than blacks. cocaine is expensive. whites use powder cocaine at a higher rate than blacks.

more blacks have financial struggle than whites. crack is inexpensive. blacks use rock cocaine at a higher rate than whites.

up until a month ago when the U.S. supreme court declared the law unconstitutional, crack held a 100-1 disparity over cocaine. that's a lot of years for a lot of people and a lot of families and communities that have suffered unfairly for a long time now.

[lydunn]

I think Cinti is no more racist, discriminating than anywhere else....To me I find that the midwest is the worse of not accepting people that are different rather its your sexual preference, skin color or religion. RACISM STILL EXIST don't believe me turn on Judge Mathis he talks about it all the time when he hears it from people who comes on his show. Fortunately I grew up in a household that looked through rose color glasses it wasn't until I got older that I realize things are different. REALLY SURPRISED THIS CHAT IS STILL GOING.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by hillside

you just proved the opposite. you said diversity is overrated because america is more about class than race. but specific races are disproportionate in particular classes. blacks and hispanics dominate the lower and working classes, whereas whites, asians and middle easterners dominate middle, upper middle and upper classes. race can be attacked through class. economic diversity is the most important factor of the racial argument.

racism is an inherent, often subconscious instilled belief that the color of one's skin, the inflection in one's voice, the pace of one's walk, type of clothing or any other form of personal and social expression or status whether intentional or unavoidable reflects negatively in comparison to another cache of circumstances substantiated by a particular individual or group of individuals.

i.e. if someone lives in a bad neighborhood in america, it is called a ghetto. it is assumed to be minority in majority population, and that population is the reason that the neighborhood is bad.

notice the ignorance of several factors, such as the fact that the neighborhood may have been previously white with good reputation before the industrial collapse of the 1970's led to economic disenfranchisement of the area, thus opening the way for crime regardless of race, or that the local schools are not properly funded, tooled, or administered, thus not properly preparing students to qualify for a diploma or post-secondary education.

...maybe the justice system throws the book at one group a little harder than the other by making cocaine and crack two different classifications to, again, attack race through class.

more whites have financial means than blacks. cocaine is expensive. whites use powder cocaine at a higher rate than blacks.

more blacks have financial struggle than whites. crack is inexpensive. blacks use rock cocaine at a higher rate than whites.

up until a month ago when the U.S. supreme court declared the law unconstitutional, crack held a 100-1 disparity over cocaine. that's a lot of years for a lot of people and a lot of families and communities that have suffered unfairly for a long time now.

Hillside, I believe that America is more about Character than class or race. And I believe that was Dr. Martin Luther King's meessage, as well. The percentage of Caucasians that are in the middle and upper classes are larger because Caucasians make up the largest percentage of Americans. But statistics have no bearing on individual behavior. If I lived in a trashy trailer park, I'd darn sure try to find a way to get out of there and better myself... And why are Asians more likely to be in the middle class than Blacks or Hispanics if they are a minority? Could it have something to do with their family structure?

In my idealistic youth, I used to believe in things like mixed income housing. I don't anymore. I think the idea that mixed-income housing being included in the Banks project in downton Cincinnati is just plain wrong. Why should people who have worked hard and earned good money have to live next to people with little or no ambition? My experience in an apartment complex with Section 8 residents was enough to convince me that is a very wrong idea.

Ohio's school funding is a mess. I'll agree with that. But there's also something to be said for living in a school district that has good parental involvement and property owners that have enough confidence in the school board to vote for levies that adequately fund the schools. Again, having the character to work hard so that you may live in a city or twonship with good schools. Throwing money at under-performing school districts is not the answer. There's plenty to discuss about school administrations, but that's for a different thread...

FWIW, I don't believe in "the war on drugs". I do believe that it's more a "war on our citizens". Personally, I never have and never will use drugs. And I think they should be made legal and taxed to provide money for rehab. But the fact remains that drug use is illegal, whether we like it or not. And, as I understand it, the reason that the penalty for crack vs. powder is that activists wanted it that way in the hopes that the harsher penalties would discourage blacks from using crack... I guess the moral here is "Stop using cocaine"...

When tough ecomomic times come, those with ambition (regardless of race) find a way to survive & thrive, whether it be to get a different job or get more education and training.

I guess I could go on forever, but this is, after all, the "Cincinnati" thread and not "Politics and Other Controversies"...