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Old 11-11-2012, 08:35 PM
 
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The Boise State situation had to do with the fact that they wanted the opposing school to pay them $5 million. Also, given the historic quality of the UC vs. OSU basketball teams, isn't it more likely to assume that UC doesn't want to play OSU than vice-versa, so the football thing is probably just payback.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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A little emotonal are we? In several instances you say my assertions are "absurd" yet you give no evidence to the contrary. I offer up two canceled games for your consideration. In 2008 Ohio State bought out the UC game that was going to be played at Paul Brown Stadium in 2010 for $1,000,000 and requested it be moved to Columbus and pushed back to 2012. I'll leave it to your own interpretation if this was to nullify the homefield advantage the Bearcats would have or if it was a purely profit motivated move. Problem is, the 2012 game was also canceled. And yes, the Buckeyes have the Bearcats tentatively scheduled for 2014 and 2018 (both conveniently in Columbus) and one of these games is a reschedule of the 2012 matchup (which was originally the 2010 game). Many fans are still waiting to see if these games will be played or if there will be some event that causes them to be canceled or postponed yet again to a date well off into the future.

It sounds as though you may not be aware of the history between these two programs. That history is limited but in 2002, the same year the Buckeyes won the national title, the Bearcats nearly upset the Buckeyes. A catch instead of a dropped pass in the endzone in the final seconds would have lifted the Bearcats to victory and derailed that national champion season.

Now back to the present and near future, I'm not saying UC would definitely beat OSU. At the upper levels of college football the parity is striking so only a fool would declare victory in advance. What I am saying, and what I think is painfully obvious in the fact these two D-1 teams only 100 miles apart hardly ever play eachother, is that the stakes are too high for Ohio State and the risk is there that an upset might occur. The repercussions of an Ohio State loss to UC are significant and could possibly be the catalyst for a shift in the balance of power in the state particularly with respect to recruiting and maybe fan support ($$$). This is the same reason no "traditional power" program wants to play Boise State. A few years back Boise State had an open slot on their 2011 schedule and went around to all of the D-1 schools with an open slot the date in the same season and they had no takers (coincidentally Ohio State was one of the open dates). Why? Because these programs have everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing Boise State. It's the same situation for Ohio State. Ohio State has way more at risk that UC should the two teams ever meet on the field. Does that sound like good business sense? Probably. Does it sound like they are scared? Sure does, to UC fans at least though I suspect any honest Buckeyes fan will admit it quietly to themselves if not in public.

Here's a snippet of some of the history:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...nclick_check=1

Brian Kelly Wants a Rivalry With Jim Tressel and the Ohio State Buckeyes | Bleacher Report

And sadly this lack of a rivalry extends to basketball too:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...A%20Tournament
UC was hardly unique in giving OSU a close game that season. The Buckeyes also had heart-stopping close calls vs. Wisconsin (won by 5), Illinois (won in OT on final play of game), Purdue (won by 4 after converting 4th and 10 on last drive), Michigan (won by 5 on final play of game), Penn State (won by 6) and, of course, Miami (won in 2OT). Most of the Buckeyes' games that year were one play away from a loss.

And you're ignoring the attendance issue. Until UC grows its fan base and can actually draw the interest of its own city, you're not going to be getting visits from the Buckeyes. It's not OSU's responsibility to prop up interest in UC football by playing a game in PBS vs. the Bearcats.

UC had a scant 26,000 in Nippert Stadium for its game vs. Syracuse last week. And that was for a team that is coming off a Big East championship last season and is in the running for another this year. UC basketball, currently ranked in the Top 25, had a dismal crowd of 5K and change yesterday for its season opener at 5/3 Arena. If UC's own fans ignore the program, why would you possibly expect OSU, or UK for that matter, to come to the rescue?
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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UC was hardly unique in giving OSU a close game that season. The Buckeyes also had heart-stopping close calls vs. Wisconsin (won by 5), Illinois (won in OT on final play of game), Purdue (won by 4 after converting 4th and 10 on last drive), Michigan (won by 5 on final play of game), Penn State (won by 6) and, of course, Miami (won in 2OT). Most of the Buckeyes' games that year were one play away from a loss.

And you're ignoring the attendance issue. Until UC grows its fan base and can actually draw the interest of its own city, you're not going to be getting visits from the Buckeyes. It's not OSU's responsibility to prop up interest in UC football by playing a game in PBS vs. the Bearcats.

UC had a scant 26,000 in Nippert Stadium for its game vs. Syracuse last week. And that was for a team that is coming off a Big East championship last season and is in the running for another this year. UC basketball, currently ranked in the Top 25, had a dismal crowd of 5K and change yesterday for its season opener at 5/3 Arena. If UC's own fans ignore the program, why would you possibly expect OSU, or UK for that matter, to come to the rescue?
I don't disagree with your first paragraph. Krenzel squeeked out more than a few wins that season. Point being though, Ohio State saw UC could go toe-to-toe and it left an impression on OSU fans. I am surrounded by them and every time a potential matchup is discussed they all mention how close that game was. Don't kid yourself, Buckeye fans were spooked and are still tepid about playing the Bearcats because of the implications of a loss no matter how remote the odds may be.

With respect to your last two paragraphs you're making my point for me. First, UC has drawn 60k fans for games at PBS (2011 vs Oklahoma). Second, this whole conversation re: the UC football team started by juxtaposing fan support for the perennially losing Bengals versus the up-start Bearcats who have been winning big the last 5 or 6 years and have been competitive the last decade or more. My argument is Cincinnati area fans would be better served allocating their sports entertainment dollars to the Bearcats rather than the Bengals. At least the former is trying to put a good product on the field whereas the Brown Family either flat doesn't care or is completely inept. Either way, they've had two decades to figure it out and have failed. My money is spent supporting UC, not Mike Brown.
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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I don't disagree with your first paragraph. Krenzel squeeked out more than a few wins that season. Point being though, Ohio State saw UC could go toe-to-toe and it left an impression on OSU fans. I am surrounded by them and every time a potential matchup is discussed they all mention how close that game was. Don't kid yourself, Buckeye fans were spooked and are still tepid about playing the Bearcats because of the implications of a loss no matter how remote the odds may be.
That was one game and nothing more. Since then, OSU has played UC again and beat the Bearcats by three touchdowns. Also, in 2003 or 2004, Marshall came into Ohio Stadium - a true road game for them - and only lost by 3 in an epic nail-biter on the very last play of the game. Does that mean OSU should play Marshall every year?

Also, Bowling Green, Miami, Akron and Toledo are among the in-state schools that have given OSU good games more recently than UC has. Should OSU play those teams on the road too?

Bottom line: UC isn't getting OSU back in Cincinnati more than once in a blue moon until it proves it's a legitimate power. OSU's precious road games are better spent at legitimate destinations like Oklahoma, Texas Oregon, Virginia Tech, TCU, etc.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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That was one game and nothing more. Since then, OSU has played UC again and beat the Bearcats by three touchdowns. Also, in 2003 or 2004, Marshall came into Ohio Stadium - a true road game for them - and only lost by 3 in an epic nail-biter on the very last play of the game. Does that mean OSU should play Marshall every year?

Also, Bowling Green, Miami, Akron and Toledo are among the in-state schools that have given OSU good games more recently than UC has. Should OSU play those teams on the road too?

Bottom line: UC isn't getting OSU back in Cincinnati more than once in a blue moon until it proves it's a legitimate power. OSU's precious road games are better spent at legitimate destinations like Oklahoma, Texas Oregon, Virginia Tech, TCU, etc.
And yet they rarely play any of these teams with the typical non-conference road game against second rate foes. Here's the breakdown over the last ten years.

2002 - @ UC (that went 7-7 on the yr)
2003 - no non-conference road games
2004 - @ NC State (that went 5-6 on the yr)
2005 - no non-conference road games
2006 - @ Texas (that went 10-3 on the yr)
2007 - @ Washington (that went 4-9 on the yr)
2008 - @ S Cal (that went 12-1 on the yr)
2009 - neutral site game against Toledo (that went 5-7 on the yr)
2010 - no non-conference road game
2011 - @ Miami (FL) (that went 6-6 on the yr)
2012 - no non-conference road games

Since you mention TCU I will add that program is not much different from UC. Recent up-start, small stadium, and yes, also a threat to Ohio State which is why I don't foresee the Buckeyes playing them. Certainly not on the road that's for sure.

The above are eleven years worth of non-conference away data. In two of those years Ohio State showed the cojones to schedule a daunting opponent on the road. It's worth noting the remaining non-conference games in any of those years is your typical D-II and MAC school 'gauntlet' filled by the likes of Youngstown State, Ohio U, Kent State, Marshall, Northern Illinois, Akron, Troy, E. Michigan, Central Florida, and Alabama-Birmingham. Don't tell me there's not room for the UC Bearcats in that mix because Ohio State's non-conference scheduling is a far cry from why most would consider ambitious.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:56 PM
 
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Congrats to the UC Bearcats who, with a victory today over UConn, saw them finish the regular season 9-3 and 5-2 in the Big East Conference to capture a share of their 4th conference title in the last five years. Bowl eligible, they have a chance for their 5th ten-win season in six years. Pretty exclusive company the Bearcats find themselves in.

Bearcats Cruise Past Huskies, 34-17 - GoBEARCATS.com - The Official Athletics Website of the University of Cincinnati

Also, congrats to the Moeller Crusaders football team who won the schools 8th state title this evening defeating a previously undefeated Toledo-Whitmer squad 20 to 12 at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, OH.

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Old 12-02-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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And yet they rarely play any of these teams with the typical non-conference road game against second rate foes. Here's the breakdown over the last ten years.

2002 - @ UC (that went 7-7 on the yr)
2003 - no non-conference road games
2004 - @ NC State (that went 5-6 on the yr)
2005 - no non-conference road games
2006 - @ Texas (that went 10-3 on the yr)
2007 - @ Washington (that went 4-9 on the yr)
2008 - @ S Cal (that went 12-1 on the yr)
2009 - neutral site game against Toledo (that went 5-7 on the yr)
2010 - no non-conference road game
2011 - @ Miami (FL) (that went 6-6 on the yr)
2012 - no non-conference road games

Since you mention TCU I will add that program is not much different from UC. Recent up-start, small stadium, and yes, also a threat to Ohio State which is why I don't foresee the Buckeyes playing them. Certainly not on the road that's for sure.

The above are eleven years worth of non-conference away data. In two of those years Ohio State showed the cojones to schedule a daunting opponent on the road. It's worth noting the remaining non-conference games in any of those years is your typical D-II and MAC school 'gauntlet' filled by the likes of Youngstown State, Ohio U, Kent State, Marshall, Northern Illinois, Akron, Troy, E. Michigan, Central Florida, and Alabama-Birmingham. Don't tell me there's not room for the UC Bearcats in that mix because Ohio State's non-conference scheduling is a far cry from why most would consider ambitious.
Obviously, your "foreseeing" skills need some work. Ohio State and TCU will play a home-and-home series in 2018 and 2019, with the first game being Sept. 15, 2018 at TCU's Amon G. Carter Stadium.

Ohio State Buckeyes and TCU Horned Frogs to play home-and-home series - ESPN

As to the records of Miami (Florida), Washington and NC State that you pointed out, surely you're aware that non-conference college football games are scheduled years in advance - many times long before anyone who will actually play that game has even entered high school. So how is it OSU's fault that it schedules Miami when the Canes are on top but the program slides by the time the game rolls around? OSU just scheduled a home-and-home with Oregon for 2020 and 2021 - Oregon is a Top 5 program now but if it's middle-of-the-pack in 2020, is that OSU's fault?

And, frankly, TCU is unlike UC in two very important ways: It's in Texas and it's in a major BCS conference. UC is neither of those. Ohio State gains a valuable presence in prep football-loaded Texas by playing that series. OSU doesn't particularly need any more exposure in Cincinnati and already recruits the area well (see: Adolphus Washington from Taft HS, who was by far the city's No. 1 recruit last year. He chose OSU despite heavy recruiting efforts by UC.).

So, if OSU is already getting most of the Cincinnati kids it wants, what do the Buckeyes have to gain by playing at mid-major UC? And yes, UC in the new Big East with the likes of Tulane, ECU, Houston and Memphis is a mid-major.

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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Just saw a report that Butch Jones resigned and is rumored to be the leading candidate for the opening in TN. Boy, the Big East just keeps getting picked clean by the other conferences that continue to forage for decent teams and coaches. It's rapidly becoming a glorified MAC or Conference USA.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:57 PM
 
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Just saw a report that Butch Jones resigned and is rumored to be the leading candidate for the opening in TN. Boy, the Big East just keeps getting picked clean by the other conferences that continue to forage for decent teams and coaches. It's rapidly becoming a glorified MAC or Conference USA.
UC nabbed Tommy Tuberville from BigXII member school Texas Tech. This is the same Coach Tuberville that went 13-0 in the vaunted SEC and has deep recruiting ties to the Southeast and the State of Texas. I don't think he'd come to UC if he wasn't confident things were going to work out just fine once the dust settles. I think UC could easily find itself in the BigXII Conference which only has 10 member schools at the moment when the model seems to be to add as many schools as possible with the often-rumored number being 16 member schools.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:04 PM
 
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UC unveiled a fundraising drive to upgrade Nippert Stadium. As athletic director Babcock stated - if he knows one thing, the stadium won't be a rectangle or box if it's on UC's campus. Should be exciting. Here's more info for those interested.

GoBEARCATS.com - The Official Athletics Website of the University of Cincinnati - Cincinnati

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Nippert Stadium renovation press conference highlights | UC Athletics Blog
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