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Old 10-04-2008, 09:04 AM
 
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Hillside, that is a horrible post, not an excellent one. A perfectly ran city is one that uses both Streetcars and LRT combined for mass transit.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:03 AM
 
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-the streetcar is used as a supplement to the light/heavy rail. it connects ''the city'' from downtown to uptown, walnut hills, avondale, and other commercial corridors like madison.
cincy-rise, i just said that . mircea's point was that light/heavy rail should be much more of a priority right now than a streetcar that serves '"the lofties'' downtown. but in our completely mismanaged city, we have no major rail on tap anytime soon, but we have a cool little streetcar! face it cincy-rise, i know you love the city, but the city doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:16 AM
 
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... but the city doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
I disagree with this post, but we'll (for obvious reasons) have to agree to disagree.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:37 AM
 
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I disagree with this post, but we'll (for obvious reasons) have to agree to disagree.
and that's cool, but if you don't mind, could you share with me some examples of competence by the city of cincinnati and hamilton county?
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Old 10-04-2008, 01:13 PM
 
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and that's cool, but if you don't mind, could you share with me some examples of competence by the city of cincinnati and hamilton county?
Simple, look at my "post history" ... specifically when you and I would go back and forth for days on end.
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:11 PM
 
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some things the bengals and the City have in common...

-old money calls the shots
-emphasis on quick fixes
-lack of vision
-internal bickering and backstabbing
-penny-pinches on critical areas
-big, flashy entertainment investments over a strong foundation of long-term competitiveness
-been in a funk with very few bright spots for decades
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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some things the bengals and the City have in common...

-old money calls the shots
-emphasis on quick fixes
-lack of vision
-internal bickering and backstabbing
-penny-pinches on critical areas
-big, flashy entertainment investments over a strong foundation of long-term competitiveness
-been in a funk with very few bright spots for decades
Wow ... it's funny in how many cities come to mind when reading this list, isn't it?
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Old 10-04-2008, 02:55 PM
 
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we visit metro cinci. once a year and were surprised you have no rapid transit . cinci is a nice metro. we live in metro cleve. and have a pretty good transit system. however with urban sprawl it could easily be expanded. but its expensive ! if you are curious, just google " cleveland regional transit authority" for pics,lines,history,etc... maybe you can pass some ideas on to your city hall.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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excellent post. why does cincinnati have to baby through the process of developing rail transit? why can't our politicians put together a plan that would make sense to voters? how about this....
Because they suck, and because they have a myopic narrow-minded view.

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-the first phase includes a line to dayton via middletown, hamilton, tri-county, and the heart of the city along route 4, northside, and vine on downtown. at tri-county, this line branches to forest park and colerain, with lines down colerain ave. and hamilton ave., that connect to a station in northside.

-a station at dana and montgomery. one line goes directly east to madisonville, one line goes northeast through kenwood on to mason and kings island, and one goes north though norwood and bond hill to west chester. the original line goes along gilbert and takes you downtown.

-a line along beekman, with one branch heading along queen city, and the other going along glenway. this line is part of the dayton-to-downtown line.

-the streetcar is used as a supplement to the light/heavy rail. it connects ''the city'' from downtown to uptown, walnut hills, avondale, and other commercial corridors like madison.

the big deal is the dayton connection, but if taken at face value -

-only 2 main lines

-the eastern line splits, but only has one branch line

-the DHD (dayton-hamilton-downtown) connects the westside, serves some of the metro's poorest areas, and offers an alternative to the stop-n-go traffic jam that is northwest 275 area, hamilton ave, and colerain.

-most importantly, the key voting regions are being served in butler and warren counties, the eastside, and the westside isn't being treated as a TBA.
That's not a bad idea. Cincinnati is fortunate in that nearly all development has taken place along the 6 major corridors: Harrison, Hamilton, Vine, Reading, Montgomery and Columbia Parkway.

DHL is leaving/has left Wilmington, and I can tell you for a fact the major reason is labor.

They just don't have labor access and it was a major problem. It was a mistake for them to expand Airborne's operation there without factoring in labor, but it's also Cincinnati's fault for not having the ability to think regionally and for not having a rapid mass transit system that could have supplied labor to the Wilmington area.

Just think of the earnings taxes Cincinnati lost because they didn't have 100 to 250 employees working there, when they could have.

What people in Cincinnati don't understand is that in other parts of the country where people are commuting 2 hours one-way, they're traveling distances equivalent to Cincinnati-Lexington, Cincinnati-Louisville, Cincinnati-Dayton, Cincinnati-Columbus, Cincinnati-Washington Court House, Cincinnati-Hillsboro, or Cincinnati-Georgetown.

The light rail morons want you to waste 2-2 1/2 hours of your time going to Tri-County or Kings Mill. Like I really got an extra $1,200 lying around to waste on day-care, which kind of negates the whole purpose of using public transit in the first place.

What idiots like Mayor Dinkins don't understand is that rapid mass transit is the key to the future development of Cincinnati and the whole Cincinnati-MSA region.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:30 PM
 
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Wow ... it's funny in how many cities come to mind when reading this list, isn't it?
no, just mostly cities like cincinnati, such as st. louis..oh wait, the rams won in 2000, and the cards won in 2006. well, detroit...oh wait, the pistons won a few years ago. how about philly or cleveland? they haven't won anything in forever and a day...nope, illadelph has top-tier american public transportation, and cleveland has a decent rapid system. that leaves cincinnnati.
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