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Old 06-19-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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We are tired of hearing from negative people that don't like it here. We really don't care. As others have said, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Don't return if it makes you sad! Hope you like it wherever you end up because most people don't realize what a great area Cincinnati metro is until they leave.
Cinohguy - I know you were just replying to a troll, so I understand where you are coming from. However, be careful what you wish for ...

Like I've said before, I'm a recent transplant who enjoys Cincinnati well enough. There are some things I love and some things I hate.

That being said, if we are ever able to get good jobs elsewhere, we'll probably leave. I'm just being pragmatic. Whether locals recognize it or not, Cincinnati does have some very serious issues which make it unattractive to transplants. The high taxes, the extreme provincialism (which I think is what a lot of bitter transplants are mistaking for "conservatism"), and the ineffective local government all come to mind.

I don't really want to sit around just bashing Cincinnati or anything. But there's no point in ignoring these issues either. It's a problem. I hope the city can change it one day.
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Old 06-19-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Most of the bash Cincinnati threads go by without my sticking my $02 in. But every now and then I think it is a good idea to add some reality to this discussion. Cincinnati has some really good low cost neighborhoods. You don't live in one? Too bad, I do and I'm just fine with it. Cincinnati has some great activities for singles. You weren't invited? Too bad. Get to know people and support the institutions that sponsor these activities and you can go to them. Don't like the Bengals? I don't either. But, I could go to a professional football game here if I wanted to and root for the Steelers. Only 32 cities have an nfl team. Did you say you like concerts? Riverbend is as nice a place to listen to the Cincinnati Pops or get wasted and go to the Aerosmith concert next weekend. Oh, you need a big concert every weekend. OK, move to LA. That will improve your lifestyle if you make about $500,000 per year, which is the entry level for good living in LA, Ny, Boston and Phily. Miami? Has anyone ever seen the Miami Art Museum? I have. Its pure crap. Nothing in the entire museum worth paying security guards to protect. Restaurants? Not only do we have great restaurants, they are democratic. Meaning, if you are a peon which most of us are, you can still have dinner at the best restaurant in town. Try that in LA. Sorry, Mr. Peon, we seem to have lost your reservation.

I think things are just fine here. But, then, I've sort have got things arranged the way I like them.
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Old 06-19-2009, 03:16 PM
 
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Most of the bash Cincinnati threads go by without my sticking my $02 in. But every now and then I think it is a good idea to add some reality to this discussion. Cincinnati has some really good low cost neighborhoods. You don't live in one? Too bad, I do and I'm just fine with it. Cincinnati has some great activities for singles. You weren't invited? Too bad. Get to know people and support the institutions that sponsor these activities and you can go to them. Don't like the Bengals? I don't either. But, I could go to a professional football game here if I wanted to and root for the Steelers. Only 32 cities have an nfl team. Did you say you like concerts? Riverbend is as nice a place to listen to the Cincinnati Pops or get wasted and go to the Aerosmith concert next weekend. Oh, you need a big concert every weekend. OK, move to LA. That will improve your lifestyle if you make about $500,000 per year, which is the entry level for good living in LA, Ny, Boston and Phily. Miami? Has anyone ever seen the Miami Art Museum? I have. Its pure crap. Nothing in the entire museum worth paying security guards to protect. Restaurants? Not only do we have great restaurants, they are democratic. Meaning, if you are a peon which most of us are, you can still have dinner at the best restaurant in town. Try that in LA. Sorry, Mr. Peon, we seem to have lost your reservation.

I think things are just fine here. But, then, I've sort have got things arranged the way I like them.

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Old 06-19-2009, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Hartwell--IN THE City of Cincinnati
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After I pick myself up off the floor, I'll will give him one...
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Old 06-19-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls
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First time posting in the Cincinnati forum, but thought I would add a note...

I'm originally from Cincinnati, but I left when I joined the Army in 1990. I've been around the world and to many cities in the United States. I'm currently in Sioux Falls, SD and will be retiring next year. My wife and I plan on moving back to Cincinnati after my retirement and 21 years of service.

Being from there, I am naturally a Bengals and Reds fan. I was at the Freezer Bowl and Super Bowl XVI. I went to the World Series with my Dad when they were the Big Red Machine. I always use to go to places like the Krohn Conservatory, the History Museum, the Art Museum, downtown, findley market, music hall, and many of the parks throughout the city.

My wife and I have tons of family there and can't wait to get back to raise our 2 year old around our family. We can't wait to take him to the zoo and Kings Island. To do the things our parents and families did with us when we were young. The shopping during the Holidays, the train display downtown. The stops at Graeter's for ice cream.

Now over my 19+ years in the Army, I have been stationed and travelled all through Europe, Korea, as well as places like New York, San Antonio, Chicago, DC, and many more. There have been great people wherever we've gone and neat things to do. Some more than others, but there have been some crappy places and people as well.

It's about finding what works for you and doing that. It doesn't make one place good or bad, simply not right for you. Sioux Falls, while VERY low on crime, a GREAT professional city, and a wonderful place to raise a family simply isn't me or my wife. There's no professional sports and if you aren't a hunting and or fishing type of person, you are limited. The closest big cities are at least 3 hours away.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you are from Cincinnati or someplace similar, you are probably going to like it. If not, you probably aren't, but to simply bash a city is silly at best. We can't wait to get back and are looking to the Anderson Township area in the near future.

Here's to hoping everyone can someday find where they fit in in this world, but for my wife and I, it's Cincinnati. Love the Skyline and LaRosa's as well as the UDF malts !!!

Go Reds, go Bengals. Hope everyone here has a good weekend !!!
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Old 06-19-2009, 07:59 PM
 
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Oh for crying out LOUD, what IS it with you people and Skyline??

Gold Star is the greatest!

And Cincinnati is a joke!

Just kidding. Kinda. It's more like a riddle...an enigma. It's hard to figure out sometimes.

Cincinnati has probably the greatest potential to do grand things, but it usually wastes it by settling for the mundane and boring. I say that because I have visions of what could be done, but the place is too damned timid, scared, and conservative to make it happen. I've seen how things were envisioned, but instead turned out to be much less. And for the most part, that's how it remains. It's very frustrating for someone like me who thinks Cincinnati could be so much more than what it is. And for some reason, people are okay with that. So I don't feel like I fit in here, despite the fact that I'm a native. I know there are nice things about the area, but I don't understand why people defend this place to the death.

I've lived here my entire life, and I see good and bad with it. Cincinnati is not the end all/be all of cities. But it's not the worst either. Despite being born and raised here, it's not home for me. That lies somewhere else. How do I know that? Because I've already seen "somewhere else", and I'm more in love with that than I am this.
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:28 PM
 
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First time posting in the Cincinnati forum, but thought I would add a note...

I'm originally from Cincinnati, but I left when I joined the Army in 1990. I've been around the world and to many cities in the United States. I'm currently in Sioux Falls, SD and will be retiring next year. My wife and I plan on moving back to Cincinnati after my retirement and 21 years of service.
Great post. I have been in perhapss 12 places since I left in 1983 and have yet to find a place where I couldn't be happy and did not have a blast.
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls
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Honestly, I absolutely LOVED San Antonio. D.C., Seattle, Chicago, New York City, were all great places that I could see myself, but after all is said and done, Cincinnati is just home. It's where we feel like we "fit". Those of you that are bashing Cincinnati just need to find that for yourselves. I'm not arguing your opinion or even saying you are wrong about certain things, it's just obvious that you need to find the place that offers you all of the things you want for yourself and family in life.

I would love to see Cincinnati realize it's potential with the downtown area, but they just aren't there yet. I see it as something that is improving with the new Fountain Square, but they can do more.

We just can't wait to get back. Family is what is most important and as I said in the last post, raising our son back "home" is what we are looking forward to the most.

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Old 06-21-2009, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Cincy
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Some of you folks here are so freakin' touchy! We basically validate some of the points that we are intolerant. Certainly folks can offer some insight from a transplant without folks taking it personally? Some of the points made by the others are VERY valid. I am a native Cincinnatian and while this is home for me, I could see how others could come here and not be happy. It is harder to fit in if you are not from here. I have traveled a lot and cincy is VERY provincial. I still have a lot of the same friends from highschool, and that is very normal here. The city govt is lacking to say the least, the money wasted on fountain square is a perfect example. And please dont let me get started about being AA. It is very true about the level of service you receive depending on how you are dressed, while you can watch White customers dressed any ole way and still receive better service, and you may have security following you. I could go on and on about other things, police stops, etc...

After living here for 40 yrs, I am very sad that I have to leave because its home. One thing though that hasnt been mentioned, we have MUCH better schools than most places. Yes, CPS has its issues, but it has its gems as well. We are relocating to Dallas, and their schools dont even come close to touching ours. Cincy has a myriad of excellent suburban schools in affordable communities. I have found that you dont get that in other cities.
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Old 06-21-2009, 07:05 AM
 
Location: No man's land
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Non-minorities can choose to live anywhere they want, without having to take racial attitudes into account or even being affected by the racial attitudes of others.

As Americans, we ALL must decide how we feel about balancing cost of living vs. economic opportunity or living close to family vs. being not so close, entertainment options etc...we have 50 states to choose from. That's just normal stuff.

In 2009 no American should HAVE to take ethnicity into account under any circumstances when deciding where to live. As someone who has served my country in both a Military and Civilian capacities (Air Force & State Department), who has defended the rights of people to have their opinions and views, whatever they are, I believe that all people should reap the benefits / suffer the consequences of their living choices, however, those benefits/consequences should be the "normal" stuff and NEVER race.

The riots happened here three months after we moved here in 2001 and my wife and I both actually thought that (not being from here) that the african american community was being "too sensitive" and "victimizing" themselves. After all, we had been successful at every stop along the way. What was wrong with African Americans here? we thought.

As we attempted to become more involved in the area (business development, socializing etc.) we began to see how segregated this city and area is. I began to understand why the riots happened. While I would NEVER condone such behavior, I can imagine the frustrations of the mass African American community here and why they feel no hope.

I had a man move next door to me in a Sharonville Apartment complex in which we were living in 2005 and he told me straight-up (after having bout 8 beers of his nightly 12 pack) that "it is a trust issue" when it comes to doing business with african american businessmen. I appreciated and respect his honesty in saying this to me, even if it was after a few too many beers.

We are used to a diverse community, having friends of all races, in and outside of work. We have found the pleasant ridge area, at least visually, to come closest to what we are accustomed to.

In my judgement, the economics in terms of job/business opporunties in cincinnati are just too difficult for outsiders. Free market capitalism is sort of a facade in the area. Most jobs / business opportunities are given to friends & relatives after "posting" the job to the public. Does this happen in other places? Sure it does. the difference is that it is the "predominant" way of doing business in Cincinnati and is an inefficient way of putting the best resources in the best places. In other places such events would be considered an "outlier" statistically speaking.

CONCLUSION: For African Americans I would only recommend Cincinnati for people returning home becuase it is their or their spouses hometown. For others you only have to consider the "normal" things one has to take into consideration when making such decisions.

Cincinnati will NEVER become a major city again until diversity begins to take hold (both racial AND cultural). Just take a look at all the economically strongest cities in this country and you will find diversity abound. If the locals DO NOT want that, well...that's your right as an american citizen. Just remember there are both benefits and consequences to that choice. Can Cincinnati deal with the economic CONSEQUENCES of that choice in the long run?
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