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Old 01-30-2009, 07:34 AM
 
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I disagree entirely, the lack of progressive ideas like the streetcar is one of the things holding us back.
Cincinnati had streetcars 50 years ago; streetcars aren't progressive, just progress compared to stagnation.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Hartwell--IN THE City of Cincinnati
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Ugh to both the Pew survey and streetcars plan.
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Old 01-30-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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Ugh to both the Pew survey and streetcars plan.
I am curious to why you think that. The Pew survey is telling us something we already know, we have an image problem with the rest of the country.

As for streetcars, look at the studies that have been done, they show that streetcars are a good investment for the city.

Here is the UC Streetcar Study
http://cincinnati-oh.gov/city/downlo...y_pdf34212.pdf

and the HDR Study
http://cincinnati-oh.gov/city/downlo...y_pdf17763.pdf
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Hartwell--IN THE City of Cincinnati
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I just dont think people KNOW about our City--so what people think about it doesnt really weigh to heavily on me even though I wish more people had a better perception of it.

As for the streetcars, well, I live in Hartwell...the northern most neighborhood. We have issues out here that we are still waiting to have addressed and I know many neighborhoods which would love to have that kind of money spent on street repairs (repaving, curb installation, speed humps), business district improvements and many other projects which address ALL our neighborhoods, not just a few the streetcars will go through. Sorry. I just think neighborhoods get a little overlooked too much and although I understand building the core, I dont always support it fully.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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ugh to both the pew survey and streetcars plan.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Hartwell--IN THE City of Cincinnati
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Cincinnati had streetcars 50 years ago; streetcars aren't progressive, just progress compared to stagnation.
Heck, Hartwell has the old car barns in our neighborhood....awesome looking buildings!
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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Where are those car barns in Hartwell? Are they on Caldwell Drive?
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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I just dont think people KNOW about our City--so what people think about it doesnt really weigh to heavily on me even though I wish more people had a better perception of it.

As for the streetcars, well, I live in Hartwell...the northern most neighborhood. We have issues out here that we are still waiting to have addressed and I know many neighborhoods which would love to have that kind of money spent on street repairs (repaving, curb installation, speed humps), business district improvements and many other projects which address ALL our neighborhoods, not just a few the streetcars will go through. Sorry. I just think neighborhoods get a little overlooked too much and although I understand building the core, I dont always support it fully.
It is important to remember the streetcar will have greater benefits (in terms of increased property taxes, decreased emissions, increased income taxes from new residents) than its costs so it is a net positive for the city.

Business district improvements- lets take Clifton for an example. They spent $2.1 million on new sidewalks and a few other minor improvements (they are building a plaza as well, but that is additional funds on top of the $2.1 million). I don't know what the benefit is to the city. I would assume a slight increase in property values, but aside from that, I don't know.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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If you're moronic to post that link, then I'm sure you're moronic to not know that the survey didn't include Cincinnati's closest peers nor did it include all major metros. It did include the most desirable metros in the US though (which is why a lot of major MSA's aren't on the list).

I'm not sure what ruffled your feathers so much about my mall comment?
Have you ever even left Cincinnati? Have you ever been to New Jersey? I am weary of Cincinnati rah-rahs like yourself who post snarky comments in response to anyone who presents an opposing viewpoint. There are things wrong with this city -- plenty of them -- and until you acknowledge those it is hard to take you seriously. In terms of the streetcar project, I'm not opposed to restoring something the city once had -- but it is hardly a priority. Tell me: do you live along or near the proposed route? Do you own property whose value would increase if the streetcar plan was implemented?
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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I just dont think people KNOW about our City--so what people think about it doesnt really weigh to heavily on me even though I wish more people had a better perception of it.

As for the streetcars, well, I live in Hartwell...the northern most neighborhood. We have issues out here that we are still waiting to have addressed and I know many neighborhoods which would love to have that kind of money spent on street repairs (repaving, curb installation, speed humps), business district improvements and many other projects which address ALL our neighborhoods, not just a few the streetcars will go through. Sorry. I just think neighborhoods get a little overlooked too much and although I understand building the core, I dont always support it fully.
Amen! The city struggles with maintaining its existing infrastructure and adding streetcars to the mix just doesn't make economic sense at this time. There are plenty of other issues to address first. P-R-I-O-R-I-T-I-Z-E.
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