Looking at moving to Cincy's west side and need help! (Cincinnati: foreclosure, rental)

[The Don]

Originally Posted by EndWelfare

I would not suggest moving to the west side unless you get far away from Downtown. Western Hills, Westwood, Price Hill, Sedamsville, lower Delhi etc. are all overrun with Section 8 welfare trash. Crime is high. If you don't mind a neighborhood full of non working people, pit bulls, and thugs walking the streets with foul mouths, then the west side is the place for you!

Also, if you don't mind NOT having to lock your doors, having family oriented, church-going, friendly neighbors and one of the best school systems in Ohio (i.e. Oak Hills), move to the West Side.

I grew up on the East side, moved to Western Hills and never regretted it.

[EndWelfare]

Regarding the last 2 posts.......

You want to know where I get my information? Daily life on the west side. I work for the government. If you haven't seen a pit bull, go outside. You haven't seen a foul mothed thug? Go to Walmart, the Plaza, Western Bowl...... Western Hills Plaza use to be a very nice place to go. Now the parking lot is full of black welfare recipients going to T.J. Max of Deveroes to spend their welfare or Social Security checks. Price Hill has been designated as a declining in danger areas according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Take a drive down Rutledge, or First Street, or West Liberty, or Gilsey etc. etc. Nothing but section 8 welfare residents that don't take care of the yards, vehicles, CHILDREN or anything for that matter. There is no welfare trash on your street? Give me your address and I can give you a list of every household that is receiving some sort of government assistance near you. You'd be surprised. You live in Westwood? You must be black or live on less than 2% of the streets remaining in Westwood that are not predominantly black or Section 8. Westwood use to be beautiful, and you could walk anywhere. Take a stroll down Harrison avenue near McHenry. Take a walk around English Woods or at The Fay apartment complex. Do these at night and let me know how it went for you. As for the Oak Hills School district and the Three Rivers School Districts, they are great. I do not disagree with you. If you read my email I point out specific neighborhoods which did not inlude ANYWHERE in the Oak Hills or Three Rivers school districts. Get our of your homes and comfort zones and open your eyes to reality.

[zorst]

Endwelfare,
I did not say that thugs, pit bulls and the like are non existent in Westwood. I said that they are not everywhere. Believe it I'm outside of my home alot.

Let's see government assistance... Uhh does social security qualify as government assistance? If so all those retired folks are on the dole. Shame on them!

It's funny that you should think I'm black because I live in Westwood. Too funny, it's obvious you don't live in Westwood do you?

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by zorst

Endwelfare,
I did not say that thugs, pit bulls and the like are non existent in Westwood. I said that they are not everywhere. Believe it I'm outside of my home alot.

Let's see government assistance... Uhh does social security qualify as government assistance? If so all those retired folks are on the dole. Shame on them!

It's funny that you should think I'm black because I live in Westwood. Too funny, it's obvious you don't live in Westwood do you?

I've seen what people on welfare do with their assistance. It used to be, in the days of food stamps, that people KNEW they couldn't get any more than .99 back in change (real money) in any one transaction after paying for their groceries using food stamps. They KNEW they couldn't buy cigarettes with them. They KNEW they couldn't buy alcohol with them. But you know what? They also knew they could buy a .05 piece of candy with a $1 food stamp, and get .95 back in coins, and they KNEW if they exited the store and came back in, they could do the same thing all over again. They KNEW if they did it enough times, they would have enough change in coins with which they could buy their smokes and booze.

Receiving public assistance without paying anything back into it is one thing. Receiving a social security check after years of paying into the system is something else entirely.

[zorst]

Originally Posted by WCRob

I've seen what people on welfare do with their assistance. It used to be, in the days of food stamps, that people KNEW they couldn't get any more than .99 back in change (real money) in any one transaction after paying for their groceries using food stamps. They KNEW they couldn't buy cigarettes with them. They KNEW they couldn't buy alcohol with them. But you know what? They also knew they could buy a .05 piece of candy with a $1 food stamp, and get .95 back in coins, and they KNEW if they exited the store and came back in, they could do the same thing all over again. They KNEW if they did it enough times, they would have enough change in coins with which they could buy their smokes and booze.

Receiving public assistance without paying anything back into it is one thing. Receiving a social security check after years of paying into the system is something else entirely.

Interesting but what's this got to do with living on the Westside?

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by zorst

Interesting but what's this got to do with living on the Westside?

Probably nothing. Let's see.....it was after 4:00 in the morning, I was tired, I had been up all night going to the bathroom (sorry if that's too much information ), and I probably misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying that people who got SS were on government assistance, and I was saying that wasn't exactly the same thing as being on public assistance.

Never mind. It's a whole big mass of confusion on my part. Apparently, in the wee hours of the morning, caffeine doesn't work too well at making you mentally alert. Just ignore what I said. I can't delete it now or I would.

[rcl2]

have you found a home yet? We have home for sale in Green Twp. in Oak Hills Schools. Very nice former model.

[Heaveno]

[B]Now the parking lot is full of black welfare recipients going to T.J. Max of Deveroes to spend their welfare or Social Security checks. [/b]

Now this statement shows and demonstrates ignorance and cruelty as usual. Come on over in Butler County in many of the poor neighborhoods where many economically disadvantaged, economically challenged, vulnerable families, income sensitive, families reside. You will see them from all ethnic groups. You have no understanding of what has happened to people to make a blantant statement such as that, but it truly demonstrates your ignorance.

I went to Eastern Hills for Junior High and Western Hills(shout out for class of 81) for high school, so I will agree that many parts of the West Side are are deteriorating, as many other neighborhoods have experienced in the last twenty years. This speaks to many people not having any hope nor direction, and if you remember crack/cocaine showed up in 1981 or it was in it's infancy in 1981? This drug ruined generations of families. Although I lived in a higher class neighborhood growing up, I saw many of my brothers and sisters in this fancy neighborhood both black and white become victims to this horrendous, life altering drug. The question you should ask, "Is why did people become destitute and who made the money from this drug being introduced into our neighborhoods? From the drug dealer-to the prison ward and then all the health professionals, law enforcement, etc. I could go on with a list of professionals who have made money off the crack/cocaine epidemic. Let me not forget my area of expertise-Social Work and Social Services. When will we be put us out of business? Many people have become rich from the section 8 and welfare recipients, but better yet many people have attained employment and took care of families because of people who are on welfare and social security. Maybe you could find out who those people may be? I hope your govenment job is not one of those that exist because of "those people."

I was raised in a neighborhood that is still fairly decent in the city that was considered mid-upper middle class when I was growing up, surrounded by upper income neighborhoods mainly. I lived by doctors, senators, lawyers, factory workers, social service agency directors, stay at home moms, law enforcement chiefs, musicians, and many other professionals.The neighborhood probably is now considered a working or middle class neighborhood. Nevertherless, pockets of poverty exist in our city and for you to make a comment such as this one clearly demonstrate that you are not knowledgable about how or why people are really in the conditions that exist for them. You rather look at them in a sterotypical manner then to find out why they are living as they do. Until you are able to go and gather the information on each of these families and why they may be dependent upon the government, you need not make a judgment call. I want to hear their voice-that is the truth for me.

As being one who is a family researcher and one who has a great passion about the mental, physical, emotional, and financial well-being of all people in this country, I am extremely appalled at your ignorant comments made about families who live over there on the west side of town- or in any other neighborhood in Cincinnati. LEAVE THE POOR ALONE or HELP THEM!!

Yes!! Cincinnati has its problems and until we get a strong city government and people who will work together-you can continue to watch the inner city and its most vulnerable people deteriorate right in front of your eyes.

What will you say when the service men return and they too must depend on the government to survive?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Heaveno

[B]
What will you say when the service men return and they too must depend on the government to survive?

In all fairness to EndWelfare, we need to differentiate between "earned" government benefits such as the G.I. Bill, Social Security Old age benefits and government entitlements.

I am not sure what is meant by returning service men being dependant on government services to survive, but if for some reason, a person who put his/her life on the line for our country has earned his benefits.

I am a "boomer". Our country way of life, the interstate system, airports, modern cities, commercial institutions, the space program, etc. etc. were all built by returning service personnel in the most part.

I would say that just the opposite is true, military service builds self reliance. That service men/women are probably LESS likely to be dependent on the government.

I guess what tends to aggrivate most hard working people is seeing able bodied people using the system to receive entitlements - just for staying home, remaining unmarried and having children.

[zorst]

Are we still on the "moving to Cincy's West Side and need help" thread? I'm thinking this thread is being hijacked.